Author Topic: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?  (Read 13713 times)

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #140 on: September 10, 2019, 09:39:06 PM »
Maybe it is you who is in dire need of treatment -- so you can learn how to tell, from a distance (and maybe even close-up ?) raincoat or dress-wearing women from Bermuda shorts-wearing men, one of whom is wearing a "Baby Boy Blue" colored headscarf!

...and once again, reiterating a wild-ass guess for the umpteenth time doesn't make it even a tiny bit more proven.

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #141 on: September 11, 2019, 01:13:48 AM »
...and once again, reiterating a wild-ass guess for the umpteenth time doesn't make it even a tiny bit more proven.

Iacoletti,

Do you honestly think the three people on the Pergola Patio in the Towner film might be men?

Or is it too hard to say ... because they just look like three moving vertical "blobs" to you ... with all of them having bare lower legs and one wearing a blue headscarf?

LOL

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #142 on: September 11, 2019, 07:47:48 PM »
Seriously, dude.  Stop asking the same damn questions over and over again and just LET IT GO.

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #143 on: September 12, 2019, 12:05:46 AM »
Seriously, dude.  Stop asking the same damn questions over and over again and just LET IT GO.


Seriously, Iacoletti, have you always had as hard a time telling women from men as you're having with those three people on the Pergola Patio in the Towner film?

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #144 on: September 12, 2019, 12:10:10 AM »

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #145 on: September 12, 2019, 12:56:13 AM »


Iacoletti.

If you're so tired, why are you putting so much energy into this?

Hidden agenda?

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #146 on: September 13, 2019, 12:08:45 AM »
Based on what? And for what purpose?

What’s your evidence for this being Darnell?

That’s a good analogy. If Willis was the only thing we had to go on, then we wouldn’t know who that was on the pedestal.

You do know that the son was born in 1977, right? And that he picked a different person in the Z film than either Tommy or Westbrook?

She doesn’t say “Calvert”. She says “Calver”. She’s just not emphasizing the “y”. How do you know how Calvery said it?

I base my opinion on Westbrook upon scores and scores of witnesses statements that I've read and/or listened to whilst cross-referencing the real evidence, that and the track record of the SFM.  She's there for one reason only, to confirm that the version of events the SFM has been selling them and their parents all these years is backed up by actual/damned witnesses who were there.  Three shots only, from one direction, the building and Oswald was indeed really creepy.
What does she get out of it?  Recognition, a little cash and perhaps the chance of further appearances.

Darnell in Towner, I've already said, newspaper in right hand pocket and he's running from the Sitzman position(where he filmed her) toward another spot where he filmed three more girls.  There is no visible problems with either the timing or positions of anyone in Towner when compared to the two clips credited to Darnell.  He came out of the RRY with everyone else that wasn't police or already there beforehand, his scenes from behind the wall are evidently from around that time.  Early.  There he's within earshot of Sitzman too, that's the next piece that's been credited to him, his fliming of her being interviewed and there is no reason to believe that the Towner film was taken any later than 10-15mins after the kill.

I don't know much about the son, that he picked yet another person in the evidence is no surprise, the one we like in Z is pretty much disguised, perhaps he'll come around.  Westbrook would need a serious intervention.  But I'll wait until I hear him say Calvery, struck me as odd and again, I don't trust her.

Darnell with newspaper in right hand pocket, ten minutes before we see the same thing in Towner.  Suit, build, position, timing all good, nothing to worry about and what if... if he came back and said he didn't remember shooting any of those aftermath scenes, like Altgens did for at least one of his images, would that seriously bother you?  Not me.  Altens 8 is exactly that because we say so.  You can't rely on memory, only evidence and Towner works for both me and Jimmy.
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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #147 on: September 13, 2019, 12:45:15 AM »
Not true.  You don't know when or from where the Darnell clip was taken.  You do know that both Willis 5 and Zapruder were taken at the same time and you can also tell where and at what Z frame the Willis 5 photo was taken.  You also have testimony from both Zapruder and Sitzman that they were on that pedestal during the motorcade.

The Darnell clip you're referring to with the 3girls has very little to go on except it's position, that we can pin down, everything we need is there.  Also if Towner was just a little sharper we could actually match those people in the background near the pergola to those in his own film, not just those near the "windows" but people near the Sitzman position which he also filmed(and theres a chance we haven't seem all of that clip yet).

Testimony don't prove a thing.
Sitzman was there, right there on that spot within minutes, it's her, proven by hard evidence from Darnell of her face and a few other images taken later around the TSBD and it matches the woman seen in Bell and the early frames of Z as well as the woman caiming to be her in filmed interviews taken years later.
For Zapruder there's nothing but a body in a suit and one half decent shot of his face that bears very little resemblance to him but some of us except it and live with it.  Those are the facts.

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #148 on: September 15, 2019, 12:06:00 PM »
Based on what? And for what purpose?

What’s your evidence for this being Darnell?

That’s a good analogy. If Willis was the only thing we had to go on, then we wouldn’t know who that was on the pedestal.

You do know that the son was born in 1977, right? And that he picked a different person in the Z film than either Tommy or Westbrook?

She doesn’t say “Calvert”. She says “Calver”. She’s just not emphasizing the “y”. How do you know how Calvery said it?

Iacoletti,

No he didn't.

He picked your "Glasses Woman" in Betzner-3, the same woman who is so large and tall in Zapruder.

You just made that up.

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Re: Where Were Jane Berry, Betty Thornton and Peggy Burney During the Motorcade?
« Reply #149 on: September 15, 2019, 04:14:28 PM »
I base my opinion on Westbrook upon scores and scores of witnesses statements that I've read and/or listened to whilst cross-referencing the real evidence, that and the track record of the SFM.  She's there for one reason only, to confirm that the version of events the SFM has been selling them and their parents all these years is backed up by actual/damned witnesses who were there.  Three shots only, from one direction, the building and Oswald was indeed really creepy.
What does she get out of it?  Recognition, a little cash and perhaps the chance of further appearances.

Darnell in Towner, I've already said, newspaper in right hand pocket and he's running from the Sitzman position(where he filmed her) toward another spot where he filmed three more girls.  There is no visible problems with either the timing or positions of anyone in Towner when compared to the two clips credited to Darnell.  He came out of the RRY with everyone else that wasn't police or already there beforehand, his scenes from behind the wall are evidently from around that time.  Early.  There he's within earshot of Sitzman too, that's the next piece that's been credited to him, his fliming of her being interviewed and there is no reason to believe that the Towner film was taken any later than 10-15mins after the kill.

I don't know much about the son, that he picked yet another person in the evidence is no surprise, the one we like in Z is pretty much disguised, perhaps he'll come around.  Westbrook would need a serious intervention.  But I'll wait until I hear him say Calvery, struck me as odd and again, I don't trust her.

Darnell with newspaper in right hand pocket, ten minutes before we see the same thing in Towner.  Suit, build, position, timing all good, nothing to worry about and what if... if he came back and said he didn't remember shooting any of those aftermath scenes, like Altgens did for at least one of his images, would that seriously bother you?  Not me.  Altens 8 is exactly that because we say so.  You can't rely on memory, only evidence and Towner works for both me and Jimmy.


    In order to put Darnell in position to film the Sitzman interview, You are being extremely liberal with your 10-15 Minutes after the Kill Shot time stamping of the Towner footage showing the Pergola. Your 10-15 minute time stamping does Not fit the time stamping Towner herself applied to her own footage. Also, I find it difficult to understand why a seasoned film journalist such as Darnell would elect to stand there and film a possible Sitzman Interview when he himself had No means to also record the accompanying Verbiage. All hell is unfolding around Darnell, yet he slams on the brakes and instead chooses to film what amounts to a Fractured Flicker interview?  Highly, Highly, unlikely and simply Not in step with Darnell being almost consistently In Motion from the time the Kill Shot was fired.

 

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