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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2020, 02:53:05 AM »
I don't know where [topic starter] Sandy Larson has been.
I have seen him previously over on the

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I certainly would have not titled John-Armstrongism as 'indisputable'.
 


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A certified copy of Lee Oswald’s actual Louisiana birth certificate, issued in 1963 and withheld until 1994.
https://debunked.wordpress.com/the-possessions-of-lee-harvey-oswald-identification-documents/

Why was Oswald's birth certificate "withheld until 1994"?
Why was it necessary to certify a certificate? And again... withhold it?
From that ROKC site that Mr Parnell linked...



Of course the very-very strangest matter of this document and the Bolton Motors bid sheet posted above are the words Oswald- New Orleans-Cuba
What are the chances? Amazing is Mr Deslatte found that three yr old form.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2020, 04:33:05 AM »

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-truth-about-oswalds-birth.html

A copy of Oswald's birth certificate that isn't reversed. Kind of small but that's OK.
Well I'll Swanee ...my own is reversed!
If someone can obtain a birth certificate then someone else can too. Oswald was said to have taken his original birth certificate with him when he went to the USSR. What happened to it?

Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #112 on: March 08, 2020, 04:30:56 PM »
The Harvey and Lee twin/clone caper is one of the most shameful - if not THE most shameful - and embarrassing "theories" of the JFK case. To rehash for newbies that come here, here's what folks are expected to believe:

Right after WWII, some American secret agents were in Hungary and found a kid wandering the streets there. Lo and behold he looked exactly like the American born Lee Harvey Oswald, who was at the time around 7 years of age.

Somehow, these secret agents tracked down this kid's Mom and again - lo and behold - they discovered that his Mother looked exactly like the American born Oswald's Mom EXCEPT - gasp! - she never smiled and had a unibrow. Close enough.

So they bring both of these people back to the U.S. and, together with Lee and his Mom, trained them to become secret agents too. Keep in mind that this all was taking place for around 10 whole years before Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas.

The proof of all of this happening, as explained ad naseum by true believers of the caper, was that Harvey the European boy and Lee the American one, were seen at various schools, in the military and around various towns living parallel lives. For example, Lee was going to school in LA while Harvey was going to school in NYC. And so on and so forth...

Meanwhile, the secret agents were keeping both versions of the boys and their Moms on the back burner for 10 whole years. For what nefarious reason only the secret agents and the god your choice only know.

Then on Nov 22, 1963, the hatch was sprung - one twin did the shooting of Kennedy while the other took the fall for the crime. He was picked up at the theater and was gunned down in the police station, while the other led the first one to the theater, went out the back door of the movie house and was never heard from again.

THAT is what folks are expected to believe what happened to JFK in '63. It's truly a frightening story not because it's false, but because many, many folks out there - you know the folks you walk past and see in stores and coffee shops - are the same people who actually have fallen for this story and get raving mad at you when you tell them the story is a load of

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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2020, 08:56:51 PM »
Brian, it's good to read that you have finally revealed that you DO have a sense of humor. Kudos to you.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #114 on: March 08, 2020, 10:26:00 PM »
One theory forwarded was that Oswald was a "Manchurian Candidate" hypnotized to assassinate the president. [The same was said about Sirhan Sirhan]
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10673#relPageId=81&tab=page
Pages 76-89 
There is no evidence that Oswald was stalking Pres Kennedy.

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #115 on: March 10, 2020, 11:22:26 PM »
JohnM "... it seems that for whatever reason he was reluctant to give a big toothy grin, in fact he mainly covered his top teeth with his top lip."



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The only one of the Oswalds that appears to have a full ear to ear grin is strangely the one in the 2nd row and center column with the big nose not anything close to similar to all the other Oswald photos

And his mouth seems to be artificially darkened and his hair is opposite combed with receding hair portion opposite side also

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #116 on: March 12, 2020, 04:39:31 PM »
The only one of the Oswalds that appears to have a full ear to ear grin is strangely the one in the 2nd row and center column with the big nose not anything close to similar to all the other Oswald photos

And his mouth seems to be artificially darkened and his hair is opposite combed with receding hair portion opposite side also

He is smiling in row 4 ( down from top) far right.
Teeth look good.

Armstrong (Harvey and Lee ) is right up there with Posner, Lifton, Bugliosi, Dale Myers, Thomas Mallon, Patricia McMillan...
Let's reach a conclusion/hypothesis, and then try to prove it. By omitting certain facts, inventing/misrepresenting others, etc.

Online Tom Scully

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2020, 06:11:36 PM »
He is smiling in row 4 ( down from top) far right.
Teeth look good.

Armstrong (Harvey and Lee ) is right up there with Posner, Lifton, Bugliosi, Dale Myers, Thomas Mallon, Patricia McMillan...
Let's reach a conclusion/hypothesis, and then try to prove it. By omitting certain facts, inventing/misrepresenting others, etc.

Amen! Whatever evidence Armstrong, Hargrove, Josephs, or Sandy, and recently, Butler cannot find, becomes a declaration somehow proving their conclusions.
Opposite of a fact finding process!

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http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/01/armstrong-evolving-landesberg-theory.html

W. Tracy Parnell: John Armstrong and His Evolving ...wtracyparnell.blogspot.com › armstrong-evolving-landesberg-theory
Jan 6, 2017 - Even Armstrong admits that Rizzuto was Landesberg the student. ... FBI document located by researcher Tom Scully, we now have a detailed ...

They "learned" this, (about the postal money order) from my research, but of course, they credit themselves for disproving the faulty research and conclusion I actually disproved.
I have no use for their indifference to their predictably misleading pattern of presentation.... :

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https://harveyandlee.net/Mail_Order_Rifle/Mail_Order_Rifle.html

.....NOTE: Wilmouth's statement, "Postal money orders sent to Kansas City" is interesting. We previously learned that after January 5, 1963 postal money orders were sent to Washington, DC. (Prior to January 5, 1963 they were sent to Kansas City.) As VP of one of the countries largest banks Wilmouth should have known this, and not made the mistake of saying the money orders were sent to Kansas City. However, if this report was fabricated, and Wilmouth's statement was concocted by the FBI, then it was the author of this FBI report who made the mistake of saying that postal money orders were sent to Kansas City.

Hargrove simply lifted this component of my research from my post quoted below, and used it without attribution in a face saving effort for Armstrong.

They intend to disincentivize anyone else from doing what Tracey Parnell, myself, and too few others are doing.... actual fact finding.
Verifiable facts frustrate and annoy them.

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Sorry Brian, Jean, and DVP, Banks Did Not Key-Punch 1963 P.O. Money Orders
Submitted by Admin (Tom Scully) on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 06:47
Updated November 19, 2015:
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David Josephs went on Black Op radio, claiming the Arlington, VA archivist who located the Klein's money order there on Saturday evening, 11/23/63, did not exist. They are thin skinned self promoters, putting their gullible readers last, as far as accurately informing them!

They never actually admit their errors or recant their BS claims, or ever apologize! None of the gullible, CT faithful ever confront any of these self promoting clowns, encouraging them to continue being frequently wrong and in reaction to the actual facts, staging face saving withdrawals from their previous crap claims!

Armstrong's cadre and

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are never challenged by the rubes they victimize intellectually, and thus deserve all of the assaults on the truth they are open to being influenced by....

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David Von Pein Posted November 21, 2015 (edited)
In a related "Money Order" matter....

DAVID JOSEPHS SAID [iN THE AUDIO CLIP BELOW]:

http://box.com/David Josephs On "Black Op Radio" (11/19/15)(Excerpt)

DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

In the above audio excerpt, David Josephs says that Robert Jackson's home address in Alexandria, Virginia, "does not exist".

But Tom Scully, himself a conspiracy theorist(!), has once again unearthed a document that tends to debunk some of the nonsense constantly being spouted by CTers about the money order and Oswald's purchase of Mannlicher-Carcano rifle #C2766. In this instance, Scully's research would seem to refute David Josephs' claim that Mr. Jackson's address does not exist at all.

On this webpage, Scully posted a photo of the death certificate of Robert Henry Jackson, one of the men who was involved in the initial retrieving and handling of the CE788 Hidell money order on November 23, 1963 [see CD87]. Jackson died in January 1977, and his residence is shown on his death certificate as "6108 Leewood Drive" in Alexandria, Virginia, the same city, located just 7 miles south of downtown Washington, D.C., where the Hidell money order was found on 11/23/63....


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Online Paul May

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #118 on: June 30, 2020, 08:50:36 PM »
Every single time I see the word indisputable from a conspiracy type, somehow it never turns out to be. Fact.

Offline Otto Beck

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Re: Indisputable Evidence for Harvey & Lee
« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2020, 06:23:40 AM »
The words "clearly," "obviously," "ceratainly," and "absolutely positive," etc, etc, etc, are right in there, too.

-- MWT  ;)

How about "mountain of evidence"?

 

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