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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2019, 06:14:12 AM »
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The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
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Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
With her cooperation, this book offers Barbara Bush's last words for history -- on the evolution of her party, on the role of women, on Donald Trump, and on her family's legacy.

The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
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It was FitzGerald Bemiss, a pal of Prescott Bush from Kennebunkport. He had battled bad weather to get there from Cornell University. He was supposed to be in ...

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You didn't go to Kennebunkport to spend time alone or curl up for hours with a book. Gerry Bemiss, whose family owned a home nearby, remembers those …
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Short and sweet:

In 1968, Reader's Digest sponsored Henry Hurt, according to his wedding announcement, moved back to Virginia from his Kennebunkport
school teacher job location. He married the daughter of Langbourne Williams's brother.

Langbourne Williams, president of Freeport Sulphur, was closely related to Gerry Bemiss (Billy Joe Lord reliably described Bemiss being
a high ranking Virginia republican party and hotel operator, and Lord had never met Bemiss.)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89080540/samuel-merrifield-bemiss
Bemiss's grandmother, Cyan Williams Bemiss was the sister of Langbourne Willams's father.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams

"Barb", however, described one her husband's George HW's oldest and closest friends, dating back to their boyhoods, as an F.O.P., not
a F.O.G.
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The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a …
Jeffrey A. Engel – 2011 – ‎History
The Making of a Global President Jeffrey A. Engel … Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know …


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https://www.nytimes.com/1956/10/19/archives/contract-linked-to-gop-loyalty-witness-at-nickel-inquiry-tells-of.html
CONTRACT LINKED TO G.O.P. LOYALTY; Witness at Nickel Inquiry Tells of Rise in Gifts-- Eisenhower Mentioned Hall Invited to Testify Files Were Confidential 'Political Facts of Life'
By C.P. TRUSSELL SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES.OCT. 19, 1956
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18--An investigating panel of the House of Representatives was told today that President Eisenhower had agreed early in his Administration to the schooling of department and agency heads in "the political facts of life" on the awarding of Government contracts.VIEW FULL ARTICLE IN TIMESMACHINE »

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Snare and Merritt on Plant Job - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1954/08/01/archives/snare-and-merritt-on-plant-job.html
August 1, 1954
Natl Lead chooses F Snare Corp and Merritt-Chapman for expansion work on US-owned Nicaro, Cuba, plant....

Search terms: Snare and Nickel:
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https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=snare%20and%20nickel&types=D&from=1

6 page hits in Documents
1. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125420&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject narked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corporation at that location. Mr. and Mrs.
see all page hits in this document »

2. No Title, pg 2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125424&relPageId=2&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject worked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corp., at that location. Mr. and Mrs.

3. No Title, pg 6 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
4. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on

5. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
6. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on


Frederick Snare, Sr.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137278800/frederick-snare

....and Allen and his brother John Foster Dulles just happened to be first cousins of Frederick Snare's son's wife, Ellen Dulles, since 1916.(1)(2)
2004 obit of son of Frederick Snare, Jr. and Ellen Dulles, Frederick III:
(1) https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bennington/obituary.aspx?n=frederick-snare&pid=2373852
(2) https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/12/archives/foster-r-dulles-historian-dies-educator-and-expert-on-far-east.html
1958, post CIA coup in Iran, the BP / CIA placed Shah sent his ambassador to Vermont to spend a weekend as a guest at the home
of J Foster Dulles first cousin and widow of Frederick Snares, Jr.:

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Bennington Evening Banner Newspaper Archives, Feb 14, 1958
https://newspaperarchive.com/bennington-evening-banner-feb-14-1958-p-1/
... expressing his ardor for Ellen Axson, the preacher's daughter who bacame his first wife in 1885. .... Full Weekend Planned For Ambassadors MANCHESTER — Two ... minded voters that Bennington Dr. Djalal Abdoh, Iranian am- has ordered all ... Edith Dulles Snare is hostess to will happen if Bennington does not1 Pratt ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abdo
Ali Abdoh (Alan Morgan) (Persian: علی عبده‎) was an Iranian boxer and founder of Persepolis Athletic and Cultural Club. He was Chairman of Persepolis F.C. from 1963 to 1975.
.....Early life
He was born in 1928 in Iran. He was son of Mohammad Abdoh Boroujerdi who was a chief justice and expert in Islamic law in the Reza Shah era. He was also brother of Jalal Abdoh who was Iran's Ambassador to India and Italy and to the United Nations. Jalal Abdoh was also one of the members of the team that argued Iran's case against the British at the Hague for nationalization of its oil during the Mossadegh era.

Allen's daughter Clover's wedding announcement informs us her maid of honor, Eleanor Thomas, was Clover's cousin and I have already proved that this cousin's brother was the last person to see Priscilla's dad Stuart Johnson alive, in 1969. In her 1978 HSCA testimony, Priscilla offered the excuse for the 14 year wait for her book, Lee and Me, was due to her upset over the concealed suicide of her father.:
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2019, 04:50:40 PM »
I have long suspected that the reason the CIA and FBI have been so cagey about the Kennedy Assassination Files is the possibility that Oswald was a spy or informant for one or more government agencies.

I also believe the rush to support the "Lone Nut" narrative was due to LBJ's desire to avoid having to go to war against the USSR. Johnson told The Atlantic magazine in the 1970s that he never believed Oswald acted alone and suspected Russian involvement.

Sometimes, the way to avoid answering difficult questions is to avoid asking the question. The assumption that Oswald acted alone and avoidance of investigating a potential Conspiracy, helped Johnson avoid making difficult decisions about War.
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2019, 03:33:59 PM »
I have long suspected that the reason the CIA and FBI have been so cagey about the Kennedy Assassination Files is the possibility that Oswald was a spy or informant for one or more government agencies.

I also believe the rush to support the "Lone Nut" narrative was due to LBJ's desire to avoid having to go to war against the USSR. Johnson told The Atlantic magazine in the 1970s that he never believed Oswald acted alone and suspected Russian involvement.

Sometimes, the way to avoid answering difficult questions is to avoid asking the question. The assumption that Oswald acted alone and avoidance of investigating a potential Conspiracy, helped Johnson avoid making difficult decisions about War.

Hi Jon, I looked thru the Atlantic website and found the following; "During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it."
As you can see, no mention of the "Russians". If you know of another reference to Russia that I may have missed, could you post a link to it, please? Also, in Johnson's own words, his suspicions were just speculations. Former President or not, I don't hold Johnson's 'speculations' any higher than I would anyone else's.
As for the rest of your post, FWIW, I can't find too much I'd disagree with. I've often suggested that Oswald was playing a 'game' of spymaster with himself and in that capacity may have been a low-level snitch for one or more of the agencies, not important enough to be classified as an asset, certainly not an agent. Just a 'snitch' occasionally coming up with something useful.
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2019, 04:17:41 PM »
Hi Jon, I looked thru the Atlantic website and found the following; "During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it."
As you can see, no mention of the "Russians". If you know of another reference to Russia that I may have missed, could you post a link to it, please? Also, in Johnson's own words, his suspicions were just speculations. Former President or not, I don't hold Johnson's 'speculations' any higher than I would anyone else's.
As for the rest of your post, FWIW, I can't find too much I'd disagree with. I've often suggested that Oswald was playing a 'game' of spymaster with himself and in that capacity may have been a low-level snitch for one or more of the agencies, not important enough to be an asset, certainly not an agent. Just a 'snitch' occasionally coming up with something useful.

Consider that Eisenhower gave Nixon and the Dulles brothers broad leeway. The folder dated 2009 of the list of claims against the Castro regime is over 300 pages. Freeport Minerals direct losses may have been closer to $100 million than $50. Was LBJ intimating the Kennedy Bros. came along and built a new culture and S.O.P. inside CIA, and so quickly?

In 1961 the U.S. was nearly unrivaled in economic power and faced only one serious military adversary. All indications are Allen Dulles drank
his own kool-ade and talked his own book, predatory capitalism. The taking of Cuba could not stand, as a point of pride, precedent, the example it would set, and obviously the pain felt in the wallet. A description of the father-in-law of  Edith Dulles Snare.:

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Guantanamo: A Working-Class History between Empire and Revolution
By Jana Lipman
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CUBA: Snare Jubilee - TIME  Monday, Feb. 17, 1936
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,883525,00.html
... King George mounted England's Throne there was founded conveniently adjacent to Havana a country club which was the great enterprise of "Father Snare.
.......

I see corporatist concentration of political influence in that the two
parties, Freeport Sulphur and Frederick Snare Corp. that had been doing quite well taking US government subsidy to the tune of $40 million.
The part about Dulles brother's first cousin and widow of Frederick Snare, Jr. hosting the Iranian ambassador in her home in 1958 indicates to me she and her cousin Foster had an understanding . Frederick Snare Corp. as of 2009, was still listed with a claim amounting to $1.8 million against the Castro government.

Bennington Evening Banner Newspaper Archives, Feb 14, 1958
https://newspaperarchive.com/bennington-evening-banner-feb-14-1958-p-1/


Call me crazy, but the indications in the details I have posted in this thread support a Dulles and Langbourne Williams families conspiracy to
recover their losses in Cuba and then mop up the "loose ends" in the example of Stuart Johnson falling at the home of a Dulles cousin, and
in the pressure exerted on Billy Joe Lord, even more so considering Henry Hurt and Bemiss who Lord claimed Hurt consulted on pressure tactics to draw from to pressure Lord's cooperation. Fitzgerald "Gerry" Bemiss was a cousin of Freeport's president Langbourne Williams and Henry Hurt just so happened to have resided in tiny Kennebunkport immediately before marrying Langbourne Williams's brother's daughter.
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2019, 11:36:15 PM »

You are correct  :)

This is "no man's land" ...

It does not comply with the LN lone nut highschool drop out point of view ...

Nor does it comply with the CT oblivious innocent Oswald point of view ...

However, it explains Oswald on one side being an order filler and on the other side being an eloquent knowledgeable speaker on public television.

It explains Michael Paine possessing a filecabinet with intelligence contents.

It explains intelligence monitoring on Oswald.

It  explains why the "one member Oswald  committee" of Fair Play for Cuba could get heavy television cameras on the street and Oswald interviewed on television.
Michael Paine did not have a file cabinet filled with intelligence contents in his garage.

The file box found in the garage was identified by Marina as belonging to Oswald. She said he would keep some of his political material in the file box.

Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 125 is a file cabinet for presumably three by five or five by seven inch cards.
Mrs. OSWALD. Lee kept his printing things in that, pencils.
Mr. RANKIN. The things that he printed his Fair Play for Cuba leaflets on?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Pencils and materials that he used in connection with that matter?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he have any index cards in that metal case?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, he had some.

The "intelligence monitoring" was done by the FBI. This was done, of course, because he had defected to the USSR and then returned. The agent assigned to monitor Oswald never met him, never interviewed him, and didn't know what he looked like. Some "monitoring."



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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2019, 07:21:05 AM »
Michael Paine did not have a file cabinet filled with intelligence contents in his garage.

The file box found in the garage was identified by Marina as belonging to Oswald. She said he would keep some of his political material in the file box.

Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 125 is a file cabinet for presumably three by five or five by seven inch cards.
Mrs. OSWALD. Lee kept his printing things in that, pencils.
Mr. RANKIN. The things that he printed his Fair Play for Cuba leaflets on?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Pencils and materials that he used in connection with that matter?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he have any index cards in that metal case?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, he had some.

The "intelligence monitoring" was done by the FBI. This was done, of course, because he had defected to the USSR and then returned. The agent assigned to monitor Oswald never met him, never interviewed him, and didn't know what he looked like. Some "monitoring."

I see a similar reaction to facts from both LNs and CTs posting here. The facts are not going to go away. In fact, factual information is accumulating. Fool me once, shame on you!

Damn that Obama....the former community organizer (aka communist), invited the "stained" rightist extremist Gates to continue occupying one of the most important offices in the executive branch, after campaigning on a platform to withdraw from Iraq and re-examine the war strategy in Afghanistan with a greater emphasis on determining and countering Pakistani interference and assistance to the Taliban.:

A preview of the third page of Gates's circa 1991 Iran-Contra testimony, two immediately preceding pages linked and displayed further
down in this post.

https://www.loc.gov/law/find/nominations/gates/005_excerpt.pdf
This is a 226 page, .pdf transcript –


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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/an-awkward-question-for-robert-gates-has-the-deep-state-taken-over/282934/
An Awkward Question for Robert Gates: Has the Deep State Taken Over?
The former secretary of defense believes that the uniformed military "had taken control of the policy process" during the war in Afghanistan.

CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
JAN 9, 2014
....One passage struck me as more troubling and revealing than its author perhaps realizes. It concerns the Afghanistan policy review in 2009 and General Stanley McChrystal's surprise request for a substantial escalation of U.S. forces. The request "surprised the White House (and me) and provoked a debate that the White House didn't want," Gates wrote. "I think Obama and his advisers were incensed that the Department of Defense—specifically the uniformed military—had taken control of the policy process from them and threatened to run away with it."

Civilian control of U.S. foreign policy is rather important. So I can't help but marvel at the casual manner in which this former secretary of defense observes that the uniformed military did take control of the policy process with regard to Afghanistan, and implies that they had the capacity to "run away with" the policy process. .....

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-owes-no-loyalty-to-president-obama/283082/
Robert Gates Owes No Loyalty to President Obama
A Wall Street Journal columnist's attack on the former secretary of defense's honor is wrongheaded.
CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
JAN 15, 2014
...Reassuringly, Gates was not fond of the self-serving, power-hungry politicians who make up much, though by no means all, of America's governing elite. Like George Washington, who once wrote to a friend that by accepting the presidency, he was giving up “all expectations of private happiness in this world,” Gates was hesitant to serve for as long as he did and thought of resigning many times, because being secretary of defense is an unpleasant task for many non-sociopaths. Stephens is miffed that Gates related disliking the job:

"I did not enjoy being secretary of defense," Mr. Gates writes at one point in the book. Fair enough; he could have retired after serving out the remainder of President Bush's term. He didn't. "People have no idea how much I detest this job," he quotes from an email he wrote in mid-2008, trying to scotch rumors that he would serve under the next administration. Fair enough; he could have turned down Mr. Obama's offer when it was made. He didn't. "If you want me to stay for about a year, I will do so," he told Mr. Obama after the 2008 election. Fair enough; he could have kept the promise to the letter. He didn't; he stayed on for another 29 months. Those are choices Mr. Gates made for his own reasons. Serving as secretary of defense, after all, isn't really a duty; it's an honor and a privilege....

https://web.archive.org/web/20161103035644/http://tomscully.com/node/10


Shaheen and Reagan were born a couple of years apart in Tampico, IL, pop. 600 Shaheen’s best man was the employer
of defector Robert E. Webster. Both Casey and Shaheen died suddenly and left Gates holding “the bag” (Roy Furman)>



Consider these were very protected people, and it took a while for GW Bush to dig
Robert Gates up, dust him off, and put him back, “on track”!.

Roy Furmark:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Furmark

Elroy McCaw was this man’s liason to OSS at the Pentagon during WWII.:

Gen. Harold M. McClelland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_M._McClelland
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https://majestic12research.blogspot.com/2009/05/robert-gates.html
Robert Gates
by JASON | 1:26 PM in |

Dr. Robert M. Gates was sworn in on December 18, 2006, as the 22nd Secretary of Defense. Before entering his present post, Secretary Gates was the President of Texas A&M University, the nation's seventh largest university.

Prior to assuming the presidency of Texas A&M on August 1, 2002, he served as Interim Dean of the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M from 1999 to 2001.

Secretary Gates served as Director of Central Intelligence from 1991 until 1993. Secretary Gates is the only career officer in CIA's history to rise from entry-level employee to Director. He served as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence from 1986 until 1989 and as Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Adviser at the White House from January 20, 1989, until November 6, 1991, for President George H.W. Bush......

Charles E. Allen, a national intelligence officer for counter-terrorism, went to see Robert Gates on 1st October, 1986, and told him that he believed that the proceeds from the Iran arms sales may have been diverted to support the contras. Gates then passed this information onto Casey.

On 5th October a Sandinista patrol in Nicaragua shot down a C-123K cargo plane that was supplying the Contras. Eugene Hasenfus, an Air America veteran, survived the crash and told his captors that he thought the CIA was behind the operation. Two days later, Roy M. Furmark, who was working for Adnan Khashoggi, told Casey that his boss was owed $10 million for his role played in the arms-hostages deal. Furmark also claimed that the man behind the deal was Oliver North.

On 9th October, Robert Gates and William J. Casey had lunch with Oliver North. It seems that the CIA wanted to see the paperwork for the delivery of arms to Iran. Gates told North: "If you think it's that sensitive we can put it in the director's personal safe. But we need our copy." That afternoon, Casey appeared before two Congressional oversight committees, where he maintained that the CIA had nothing to do with the supplying of contras.

On 15th October, leaflets were given out in Tehran stating that high-ranking advisers to President Ronald Reagan had been visiting Iran the previous month to negotiate a deal to release hostages for arms. Two days later, Charles E. Allen provided Casey with a seven-page assessment of the "arms-hostage machinations". Allen wrote: "The government of the United States, along with the government of Israel, acquired substantial profit from these transactions, some of which profit was redistributed to other projects of the U.S. and of Israel."

Meanwhile, Eugene Hasenfus was providing information to his captors on two Cuban-Americans running the operation in El Salvador. This information was made public and it was not long before journalists managed to identify Raphael Quintero and Felix Rodriguez as the two men described by Hasenfus....
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NEW BEDFORD -- Private services will be held for Robert Webster, 71, who died Thursday, Nov. 11, 1999, after a long illness. He was the husband of Shirley (Miller) Webster and son of the late Charles Edward and Elizabeth (Bush) Webster.

He died at The Oaks.

He was born in Tiffan, Ohio, and had lived in the New Bedford area since the early 1980s.

He was employed by Edey & Duff of as a boat builder until he retired.

Mr. Webster was a member of the Toastmasters Club and was a Navy veteran.....
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https://paw.princeton.edu/memorial/maitland-edey-jr-58

Mait died Dec. 30, 2016, of complications from multiple myeloma at Massachusetts General Hospital.
He came to us from the Hotchkiss School. His father graduated from Princeton in 1932. Mait left our class after the first term of our sophomore year, returning in 1960. He graduated summa cum laude and won the philosophy prize. His freshman-year roommates were Mike Duncan and Fred Vohr.

Mait married Anna Jufors in April 1957 and lived in Europe, Brooklyn, and Cambridge. Always interested in jazz from his undergraduate days, he began writing for the Jazz Review and the American Record Guide. He enrolled at the Berklee College of Music and enjoyed playing the piano (blues, boogie, swing) all his life. Mait also always loved sailing, and he and a partner started Edey & Duff, making sailboats, which revived the beauty and functionality of traditional wooden sailing craft.

After his divorce and a difficult adjustment period, Mait devoted his time to meditation and the study and writing of philosophy.....

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/13/nyregion/maitland-a-edey-former-editor-of-time-life-books-dies-at-82.html
Maitland A. Edey, Former Editor Of Time-Life Books, Dies at 82
By LEE A. DANIELSMAY 13, 1992

Maitland A. Edey, a former editor in chief of Time-Life Books and a science writer and conservationist, died on May 9 at Martha's Vineyard Hospital in Vineyard Haven, Mass. He was 82 years old....

...Mr. Edey, a native of New York and a 1932 graduate of Princeton, indulged his interest in history and the environment by writing numerous articles and 11 books. Their topics included American songbirds and waterbirds, and the great cats of Africa. The most popular and critically acclaimed was "Lucy: The Beginnings of Humankind" (Simon & Schuster) which he co-wrote with Donald C. Johanson. The 1981 book described the discovery of a three-million-year-old skeleton of an early apelike animal which became the focus of an intense scientific debate over when human beings first appeared on earth. "Lucy" won a National Book Award. Worked for Life Magazine

Mr. Edey, who had worked as an editorial assistant at various New York publishing houses before World War II, joined Life magazine in 1945. He served as a major with the intelligence branch of the Air Force during the war. He resigned from Life as an assistant managing editor in 1956 to do freelance writing.

In 1957 Mr. Edey, whose family had deep roots in New York State, served as a working crew member on the Mayflower II, which retraced the voyage of the original Pilgrim ship from Plymouth, England to Plymouth, Mass.

In 1960 he was named editor of Time-Life Books and worked there for the next 12 years, the last six as editor in chief.

He retired from Time-Life in 1972 and returned to freelance writing. Six of his eleven books were written during the 1970's and 1980's.....
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2019, 04:22:23 PM »
Hi Jon, I looked thru the Atlantic website and found the following; "During coffee, the talk turned to President Kennedy, and Johnson expressed his belief that the assassination in Dallas had been part of a conspiracy. "I never believed that Oswald acted alone, although I can accept that he pulled the trigger." Johnson said that when he had taken office he found that "we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." A year or so before Kennedy's death a CIA-backed assassination team had been picked up in Havana. Johnson speculated that Dallas had been a retaliation for this thwarted attempt, although he couldn't prove it."
As you can see, no mention of the "Russians". If you know of another reference to Russia that I may have missed, could you post a link to it, please? Also, in Johnson's own words, his suspicions were just speculations. Former President or not, I don't hold Johnson's 'speculations' any higher than I would anyone else's.
As for the rest of your post, FWIW, I can't find too much I'd disagree with. I've often suggested that Oswald was playing a 'game' of spymaster with himself and in that capacity may have been a low-level snitch for one or more of the agencies, not important enough to be classified as an asset, certainly not an agent. Just a 'snitch' occasionally coming up with something useful.

You are correct on that. The actual quote suggests LBJ suspected Castro not the Soviets. However, in Johnson’s worldview it made no difference. He believed all Communist countries were part of the same global hegemony.

I also thought this quote from Johnson was interesting:

“ "After the Warren Commission reported in, I asked Ramsey Clark [then Attorney General] to quietly look into the whole thing. Only two weeks later he reported back that he couldn't find anything new." Disgust tinged Johnson's voice as the conversation came to an end. "I thought I had appointed Tom Clark's son—I was wrong...”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1973/07/the-last-days-of-the-president/376281/

I believe Johnson made what he believed was a National Security decision in 1963 to quickly endorse the “Lone Nut” narrative and discourage investigations of Conspiratorial leads in the JFK assassination.

His doubts about the WC’s conclusions and curiosity about Conspiracy years later proves that he knowingly covered up a possible Conspiracy with his rush to support the Lone Assassin narrative.

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2019, 09:45:56 PM »
Michael Paine did not have a file cabinet filled with intelligence contents in his garage.

The file box found in the garage was identified by Marina as belonging to Oswald. She said he would keep some of his political material in the file box.

Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 125 is a file cabinet for presumably three by five or five by seven inch cards.
Mrs. OSWALD. Lee kept his printing things in that, pencils.
Mr. RANKIN. The things that he printed his Fair Play for Cuba leaflets on?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Pencils and materials that he used in connection with that matter?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Did he have any index cards in that metal case?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, he had some.

The "intelligence monitoring" was done by the FBI. This was done, of course, because he had defected to the USSR and then returned. The agent assigned to monitor Oswald never met him, never interviewed him, and didn't know what he looked like. Some "monitoring."

"The file box found in the garage"

It was a "set of metal file cabinets"(plural) not a single file box as you are and the WC implied.


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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2019, 11:05:33 PM »
You are correct on that. The actual quote suggests LBJ suspected Castro not the Soviets. However, in Johnson’s worldview it made no difference. He believed all Communist countries were part of the same global hegemony.

I also thought this quote from Johnson was interesting:

“ "After the Warren Commission reported in, I asked Ramsey Clark [then Attorney General] to quietly look into the whole thing. Only two weeks later he reported back that he couldn't find anything new." Disgust tinged Johnson's voice as the conversation came to an end. "I thought I had appointed Tom Clark's son—I was wrong...”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1973/07/the-last-days-of-the-president/376281/

I believe Johnson made what he believed was a National Security decision in 1963 to quickly endorse the “Lone Nut” narrative and discourage investigations of Conspiratorial leads in the JFK assassination.

His doubts about the WC’s conclusions and curiosity about Conspiracy years later proves that he knowingly covered up a possible Conspiracy with his rush to support the Lone Assassin narrative.

Jon, Johnson certainly didn't want to find a conspiracy, we agree on that. At least some of the WC members may well have been put in place to steer the rest away if one had been found. Ironically, I don't believe it was necessary..there simply wasn't a conspiracy to be found. It's been over fifty years, the evidence has been more thoroughly scrutinised and picked over than any other murder in history, not just once but repeatedly over and over. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of independent researchers, some being highly trained professional's, have investigated the assassination far more thoroughly than the WC ever could. Result? Not a single shred of proof has surfaced that Oswald wasn't just another lone nut killer. Do you really place an ex Presidents suspicions and speculations, basically a gut feeling, above all that?
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2019, 12:53:13 AM »
Jon, Johnson certainly didn't want to find a conspiracy, we agree on that. At least some of the WC members may well have been put in place to steer the rest away if one had been found. Ironically, I don't believe it was necessary..there simply wasn't a conspiracy to be found. It's been over fifty years, the evidence has been more thoroughly scrutinised and picked over than any other murder in history, not just once but repeatedly over and over. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of independent researchers, some being highly trained professional's, have investigated the assassination far more thoroughly than the WC ever could. Result? Not a single shred of proof has surfaced that Oswald wasn't just another lone nut killer. Do you really place an ex Presidents suspicions and speculations, basically a gut feeling, above all that?

The evidence stresses your conclusions. Bottom section the NY Times article image displayed further below, titled, "Stuart Johnson dies in a fall":
(Who was Mr. Thomas, an obvious question under less weighty circumstances, but below we have Stuart Johnson's daughter Priscilla in a sworn deposition describing how the concealed suicide of her father impacted her work.


1959:
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https://www.nytimes.com/1959/12/16/archives/flow-of-nickel-from-cuba-halts-big-usowned-nicaro-plant-stops.html
FLOW OF NICKEL FROM CUBA HALTS; Big U.S.-Owned Nicaro Plant Stops Shipments -- New Mining Law Blamed PROGRAM IS LAGGING Construction of Facility for Freeport Sulphur Co. Is Far Behind Schedule FLOW OF NICKEL FROM CUBA HALTS
By PETER B. BARTDEC. 16, 1959

This fall, if all had gone according to plan, Cuba was to have become second only to Canada in world nickel production.VIEW FULL ARTICLE IN TIMESMACHINE »....

1954:
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Intermediate Report of the Committee on Government Operations
https://books.google.nl/books?id=L4XRAAAAMAAJ - Vertaal deze pagina

United States. Congress. House. Committee on Government Operations - 1955 - ‎Fragmentweergave - ‎Meer edities
Mr. Mansure testified that Mr. Talbott did not recommend any contractor. Mr. Cremer testified that he requested Mr. Talbott, who was familiar with the Nicaro situation, to pass his knowledge of Snare's unique qualifications along to Mr. Mansure.

There is the coincidence of the mention of cousin Foster, below, and in the society debut announcement of the candidate debutant, Eleanor Thomas. Eleanor's brother James Augustus Thomas was the last to see Priscilla Johnson's father alive.

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https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/546899133/
Publication: Bennington Banner i Location: Bennington, Vermont Issue Date: Thursday, April 11, 1985 Page: 20

EDITH D. SNARE DORSET - Edith Dulles Snare, 88, cousin of the late John Foster Dulles, died Wednesday at her home in Dorset, where she had lived for the past 45 years. She had formerly resided in Englewood, N.J. Active in local affairs, Mrs. Snare was a founder of the Dorset Nursing Association, an early executive director of the Southern Vermont Artists Association of Manchester, and established Snare Associates Real Estate in the 1950s. She leaves two daughters, Dorothy Warner of Dorset and Naples, Fla....
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Bennington Evening Banner Newspaper Archives, Feb 14, 1958
https://newspaperarchive.com/bennington-evening-banner-feb-14-1958-p-1/
... expressing his ardor for Ellen Axson, the preacher's daughter who bacame his first wife in 1885. .... Full Weekend Planned For Ambassadors MANCHESTER — Two ... minded voters that Bennington Dr. Djalal Abdoh, Iranian am- has ordered all ... Edith Dulles Snare is hostess to will happen if Bennington does not1 Pratt ...


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A Pioneer Tobacco Merchant in the Orient
Search domain http://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/findingaids/thomasjamesaug.xmlhttps://library.duke.edu/rubenstein/findingaids/thomasjamesaug.xml
In 1918, Thomas married Anna Branson who died 7 months later. In 1922, he married Dorothy Quincy Hancock Read on Nov. 21, 1922. They had two children: James Augustus Thomas, Jr. and Eleanor Lansing Thomas. Thomas was the author of two books:


https://archive.is/o/esTuB/www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95330&relPageId=42

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WHY IS THE FOLLOWING IMPORTANT? Because David Davenport's friend, Jerome Hasty Hastings was married at the time Davenport enlisted his efforts to escort Marina and Priscilla, to Aunt of the Chair of the PIAB since April, 1963, Clark McAdams Clifford. In 1965, Clark M Clifford's first cousin JoAnn McAdams filed a lawsuit against Davenport and described Jerome Hasty as her step-father.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Intelligence_Advisory_Board
The President's Intelligence Advisory Board (PIAB) is an advisor to the Executive Office of the President of the United States. According to its self-description, it "...provides advice to the President concerning the quality and adequacy of intelligence collection, of analysis and estimates, of counterintelligence, and of other intelligence activities."[1]

The PIAB, through its Intelligence Oversight Board (IOB), also advises the President on the legality of foreign intelligence activities.
.....PIAB chairpersons have been:[27]
......Clark Clifford   April 23, 1963   February 29, 1968....

COMPARE DETAILS IN LAST PARAGRAPH OF THIS 1954 OBIT OF CLARK CLIFFORD UNCLE WITH THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE LAWSUIT!

Las Vegas Optic, Monday, July 31, 1967 : Front Page
https://newspaperarchive.com/las-vegas-optic-jul-31-1967-p-1/

... the plaintiff of being mentally ill and recom mended that judicial proceedings ... pick Aliss McAdams further states in her complaint she up ran into the rear of.....


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1954 Obit:

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