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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 11:55:05 AM »
Yet another good thread completely ruined by Tom Scully irrelevant waffle!!
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 05:22:11 PM »
Continued from last post....
So....how did the George Brewer, Jr, FiL of Priscilla's hardly familiar CIA assist and first cousin David Davenport,
get the OSS chief job in 1942 in London he soon handed off to David KA Bruce? Brewer evidently was vetted during his Groton and
Yale years....

Lower in this post I included the article image of the 1923 wedding of George Brewer, Jr   The ushers included Charles White.....
Brewer, Jr was a member of the (tiny) Groton School class of 1918. He and Cornelius V Whitney were members of the Yale Groton Club in 1922.

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https://www.groton.org/page/about/history
Groton School was an immediate success and by 1920 had grown to about 180 students and 22 faculty members. Peabody, having found his calling, ran the ...

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https://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/14/obituaries/langbourne-williams-is-dead-retired-businessman-was-91.html?searchResultPosition=7
Langbourne Williams Is Dead; Retired Businessman Was 91
By JOHN HOLUSHASEPT. 14, 1994

...One of the Williams firm's investments was in the Freeport-Texas Company, a sulfur-mining company based in New York. Concerned that the management of the company was not moving aggressively to increase reserves, Mr. Williams and some associates decided to become corporate raiders, waging a proxy fight in 1928.

The existing management fought back, at one point filing a $1 million libel suit against Mr. Williams and his associates because they had made accusations that Freeport-Texas managers were working more for themselves than the shareholders. Two years later, in 1930, the Williams group prevailed by less than 4,000 shares. Mr. Williams, then 27, was sent to the company's headquarters in New York as vice president, treasurer and a director of the company. Company Branched Out

Three years later, he advanced to president of the company, with John Hay Whitney, a prominent New York investor, named chairman. Mr. Williams stayed with the company as president until 1958 and as chairman until 1967, building the company's operations to the point where it became the largest producer of sulfur in the country and branching out into other minerals like nickel....

Whitney's first cousin, Jock, (John Hay Whitney) owned the NY Herald Tribune in 1963 and was described personally writing  the ASAP editorial (article image below) in his newspaper, an early attempt to cement the LN case closed, conclusion. Jock Whitney and Langbourne
Williams worked together on Wall Street and Jock financed Williams's accumulation of Freeport Sulphur stock shares resulting in a 1930
hostile takeover of Freeport.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=PZE8UkGerEcC&dat=19631123&printsec=frontpage&hl=en


In a bungalow on Jock's Glen Head, LI estate, Jinx Falkenberg resided
from 1946 until eviction after Jock's 1992 death, by his widow. The only wedding I can find in which Priscilla (also of Glen Head) was
an attendant, was the wedding of her lifelong friend Jane Macatee, a first cousin of.....Jinx Falkenberg!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Trubee_Davison
F. Trubee Davison
.....After the war
After the war, Trubee went back to Yale and, while rooming with fellow Unit member "Di" (Artemus) Gates, finished his undergraduate program graduating in 1919.[2] In 1920, Trubee Davison married Dorothy Peabody, the daughter of the headmaster at Groton School where he had attended before attending Yale. After his father died Trubee and Dorothy built a house on the Davison estate, Peacock Point, in order to keep his mother company.[17]
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Link to John Newman book page image :


In 1919, Yale freshman and future father inlaw, George Brewer, Jr of Priscilla's very helpful (with shielding Marina, circa fall 1964) CIA first cousin, David C Davenport, was a dorm room neighbor (I am assuming... 271D vs  269D) of Charles A Wight.:




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https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/269
Saturday, 15 June 1996 19:25
JFK, Indonesia, CIA & Freeport Sulphur
Written by Lisa Pease

The second part of Lisa Pease's study of the links between Freeport Sulphur, the CIA and the JFK assassination focuses on Kennedy's Indonesian policy.
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1959: Copper Mountain
At this point, Freeport Sulphur entered the Indonesian picture. In July, 1959, Charles Wight, then President of Freeport-and reported to be fomenting anti-Castro plots and flying to Canada and/or Cuba with Clay Shaw (see Part I of this article)-was busy defending his company against House Committee accusations of overcharging the Government for the nickel ore processed at the Government-owned plant in Nicaro, Cuba. The Committee recommended that the Justice Department pursue an investigation. Freeport's Moa Bay Mining Company had only just opened, and already the future in Cuba looked bleak.
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https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/david-atlee-phillips-clay-shaw-and-freeport-sulphur
Monday, 15 April 1996 19:34
David Atlee Phillips, Clay Shaw and Freeport Sulphur
Written by Lisa Pease
....One man whose name we first thought to be WHITE apparently is WIGHT, Vice President of Freeport Sulphur who reputedly made the flight. Currently an effort is being made to locate WIGHT, who lives in New York.


Despite the fact that the original source of this information was JULES RICCO KIMBLE, a man with a record, this lead keeps growing stronger. From the very outset it had been reported that the flight had something to do with the import of nickle following the loss of the original import supply from Cuba. Recent information developed on WIGHT in a separate memo indicated that he is now on the Board of Directors of the Freeport Nickel Company, a subsidiary of Freeport Sulphur. - NODA Clay Shaw Lead File note, no date....





Henry Hurt of Readers Digest married in 1968 the niece of Freeport's chairman, Langbourne Williams. 8 years later,
Hunt threatened Billy Joe Lord, using stated advice (by Lord to Jimmy Carter) to pressure Lord from close personal friends of then DCI, George HW Bush.:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1439.0.html
Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?
.....Henry Hurt is simply supposed to be an Readers Digest journalist author with emphasis on National Security matters.
This dents that assumption quite remarkably.:

Eight years earlier, Hurt was working in Kennebunkport and marrying into the Bemiss/Williams family.:


Jim Beamis, full of advice for Hurt as described in the Lord letter is a slam dunk match for Bush Kennebunkport
summer neighbor and lifelong friend.:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65388323/fitzgerald-bemiss
FitzGerald Bemiss
BIRTH   2 Oct 1922
DEATH   7 Feb 2011 (aged 88)
BURIAL   Hollywood Cemetery
Richmond, Richmond City, Virginia, USA
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2019, 06:19:38 AM »
Yet another good thread completely ruined by Tom Scully irrelevant waffle!!

I agree, Denis.

His posts remind me of a particular scene in A Beautiful Mind.

-- MWT  ;)
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2019, 06:45:16 AM »
CT mancrush Lee Harvey Oswald was a committee of three, actually:
1) Alex/Alec/Alek Hidell (rhymes with Fidel) was in charge of armament procurement.
2) O.H. Lee was in charge of safe house procurement... and the butt-twister waltz.
3) Dirty Harvey was in charge of curtain-rod procurement... along with becoming a somebody.

Oswald's Marxist schtict was closer to Groucho than Karl by the way. IIRC, Michael Paine and/or George deM stated that Oswald was talking as if by rote, and would get angry and leave the room if challenged.

Swedish makes it sound even funnier:

CT mancrush Lee Harvey Oswald var en kommitté med tre, faktiskt:
1) Alex / Alec / Alek Hidell (rimmar med Fidel) var ansvarig för bevarandeupphandling.
2) O.H. Lee var ansvarig för säkra husupphandlingar ... och butt-twister waltz.
3) Dirty Harvey var ansvarig för gardinstångsupphandling ... tillsammans med att bli någon.

Oswalds marxistiska schtikt var närmare Groucho än Karl förresten. IIRC, Michael Paine och / eller George deM uppgav att Oswald pratade som om han var rote och skulle bli arg och lämna rummet om han utmanades.

Funny you mention Georgi.

The guy whom Dick Russell claims Edward Clare Petty told him ... gasp... that he had determined, by analyzing some WW II Venona decrypts, was probably a long-term (since 1938) KGB "illegal".

(Does anyone know exactly what sort of government job George's older brother, Dimitri, held, by the way?  State Department with Alger Hiss, by any chance?)

And then, of course, there Marina, the pretty gal who was rumored to have been a Saint Petersburg-based KGB honey-trap artist back in the day ...

Hmm.

-- MWT  ;)

Oh yeah, and Ruthie The Mannish-Woman Russophille!

Was Hosty ... jealous?

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2019, 05:15:02 PM »
Gary,

Point being?

-- MWT  ;)

In addition to file cabinets full of information on Cuban sympathizers found amongst his possessions in the Paines's garage,

Ozzie had an expensive Minox camera.

Hemming: The Minox Camera
The Minox found in Oswald's room was originally given to Bayo from Hemming. The serial numbers match.

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2019, 10:32:36 PM »
Yet another good thread completely ruined by Tom Scully irrelevant waffle!!

Denis, I would prefer to think positively of you, I really would! Unfortunately, you offer nothing but chronic complaint.
If I did not know better, I would be wondering if you were intent on discouraging readers from considering what I actually contribute to this forum,
because this is certainly not the first time you have indicated you do not believe I enhance the reader experience or inform readers.
You even posted an opinion, at least the way I understood it, you had a favorable impression of Caprio posting 67 percent of all new threads since
Jan., 2018, or some similar opinion, despite the absence of discernible originality in any Caprio OP.

You are certainly a gate keeper here. Instruct me to stop posting and I will oblige.

I do not see you objecting, for example, to Gary Craig attempting to transform portable folder storage, a dead end even before the WCR was published,
into meaningful, office sized filing cabinets. Vague sensationalism highlighting 56 year old, dead ends is always entertaining, but is it distraction,
or actually more misleading than it is informing?

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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/minox.htm
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…Mr. WALTHERS. You could tell it from the way it was tied and the impression of where that barrel went up in it where it was tied, that a rifle had been tied in it, but what kind---you couldn't tell, but you could tell a rifle had been wrapped up in it, and then we found some little metal file cabinets---I don't know what kind you would call them---they would carry an 8 by 10 folder, all right, but with a single handle on top of it and the handle moves.
Mr. LIEBELER. About how many of them would you think there were?
Mr. WALTHERS. There were six or seven, I believe, and I put them all in the trunk of my car ….
…Mr. WALTHERS. They were all put in the cars and we took them to Capt. Will Fritz' office along with the stuff we had confiscated, the files and the blanket and the other stuff, and I turned them over to Captain Fritz and left them and went back to my station.
Mr. LIEBELER. What was in these file cabinets?
Mr. WALTHERS. We didn't go through them at the scene. I do remember a letterhead--I can't describe it--I know we opened one of them and we seen what it was, that it was a lot of personal letters and stuff and a letterhead that this Paine fellow had told us about, and he said, "That's from the people he writes to in Russia"; he was talking about this letterhead we had pulled out and so I just pushed it all back down and shut it and took the whole works.
Mr. LIEBELER. I have been advised that some story has developed that at some point that when you went out there you found seven file cabinets full of cards that had the names on them of pro-Castro sympathizers or something of that kind, but you don't remember seeing any of them?
Mr. WALTHERS. Well, that could have been one, but I didn't see it.
Mr. LIEBELER. There certainly weren't any seven file cabinets with the stuff you got out there or anything like that?
Mr. WALTHERS. I picked up all of these file cabinets and what all of them contained, I don't know myself to this day.….


You post little or nothing original or actually informative. For example, I posted the following image. Do you not grasp the significance
of the location of Henry Hurt's residence, compared to the claims Billy Joe Lord made in his letter to newly serving President Carter in 1977?



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The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659
Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
It was FitzGerald Bemiss, a pal of Prescott Bush from Kennebunkport. He had battled bad weather to get there from Cornell University. He was supposed to be in ...

The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty - Page 61 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385498640
Peter Schweizer, ‎Rochelle Schweizer - 2005 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
You didn't go to Kennebunkport to spend time alone or curl up for hours with a book. Gerry Bemiss, whose family owned a home nearby, remembers those …

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennebunkport%2C_Maine
Kennebunkport is a town in York County, Maine, United States. The population was 3,474 people at the 2010 census.
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Summer home of the Bush family
Main article: Bush compound
Kennebunkport was also the summer home of former U.S. President George H. W. Bush, father of former U.S. President George W. Bush.
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Population History:

1960 - 1,851

1970-  2,160


Billy Joe Lord:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9963&relPageId=175&search=shortly_after%20returning%20to%20midland


In addition to file cabinets full of information on Cuban sympathizers found amongst his possessions in the Paines's garage,

Ozzie had an expensive Minox camera....

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Re: Could there have been a necessary and legitimate CIA/FBI cover up?
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2019, 06:14:12 AM »
..........
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The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659

Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Preview - ‎More editions
With her cooperation, this book offers Barbara Bush's last words for history -- on the evolution of her party, on the role of women, on Donald Trump, and on her family's legacy.

The Matriarch: Barbara Bush and the Making of an American Dynasty
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1538713659
Susan Page - 2019 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
It was FitzGerald Bemiss, a pal of Prescott Bush from Kennebunkport. He had battled bad weather to get there from Cornell University. He was supposed to be in ...

The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty - Page 61 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0385498640
Peter Schweizer, ‎Rochelle Schweizer - 2005 - ‎Biography & Autobiography
You didn't go to Kennebunkport to spend time alone or curl up for hours with a book. Gerry Bemiss, whose family owned a home nearby, remembers those …
............

Short and sweet:

In 1968, Reader's Digest sponsored Henry Hurt, according to his wedding announcement, moved back to Virginia from his Kennebunkport
school teacher job location. He married the daughter of Langbourne Williams's brother.

Langbourne Williams, president of Freeport Sulphur, was closely related to Gerry Bemiss (Billy Joe Lord reliably described Bemiss being
a high ranking Virginia republican party and hotel operator, and Lord had never met Bemiss.)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/89080540/samuel-merrifield-bemiss
Bemiss's grandmother, Cyan Williams Bemiss was the sister of Langbourne Willams's father.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88891802/langbourne-meade-williams

"Barb", however, described one her husband's George HW's oldest and closest friends, dating back to their boyhoods, as an F.O.P., not
a F.O.G.
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jRvdwoKQOgQC&pg=PA311&lpg=PA311&dq=george+bush+devine+bemis+meeting&source=bl&ots=u7Yvu_GF9z&sig=16xsVqU5CrpyRAZn1Q7pKu0XPcI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUqe7Rk6zLAhXrlIMKHYevB60Q6AEIKDAB#v=onepage&q=george%20bush%20devine%20bemis%20meeting&f=false
The China Diary of George H. W. Bush: The Making of a …
Jeffrey A. Engel – 2011 – ‎History
The Making of a Global President Jeffrey A. Engel … Bemis, Lias and Devine had a meeting regarding my political future—very thoughtful of them.5 All I know …


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https://www.nytimes.com/1956/10/19/archives/contract-linked-to-gop-loyalty-witness-at-nickel-inquiry-tells-of.html
CONTRACT LINKED TO G.O.P. LOYALTY; Witness at Nickel Inquiry Tells of Rise in Gifts-- Eisenhower Mentioned Hall Invited to Testify Files Were Confidential 'Political Facts of Life'
By C.P. TRUSSELL SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES.OCT. 19, 1956
WASHINGTON, Oct. 18--An investigating panel of the House of Representatives was told today that President Eisenhower had agreed early in his Administration to the schooling of department and agency heads in "the political facts of life" on the awarding of Government contracts.VIEW FULL ARTICLE IN TIMESMACHINE »

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Snare and Merritt on Plant Job - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1954/08/01/archives/snare-and-merritt-on-plant-job.html
August 1, 1954
Natl Lead chooses F Snare Corp and Merritt-Chapman for expansion work on US-owned Nicaro, Cuba, plant....

Search terms: Snare and Nickel:
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https://www.maryferrell.org/search.html?q=snare%20and%20nickel&types=D&from=1

6 page hits in Documents
1. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125420&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject narked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corporation at that location. Mr. and Mrs.
see all page hits in this document »

2. No Title, pg 2 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125424&relPageId=2&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
ORLANDO advised the subject worked under him during 1955 for approximately six months at Nicara, the location of Nicara Nickel Company near Preston, Oriente
ORLANDO advised he and the subject were working for the Frederick Snare Corp., at that location. Mr. and Mrs.

3. No Title, pg 6 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
4. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on

5. No Title, pg 6  https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=125447&relPageId=6&search=snare_and%20nickel
Found in: FBI - HSCA Subject File: Osvaldo Aurelio Pino Pino
He said he had been employed by Snare-Merritt Contractors and Nicaro Nickel Company, both of Mayari, Oriente, Cuba, for approximately four years imaedi.ately

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=64485&relPageId=19&search=snare_and%20nickel
6. SPANISH LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER CLIPPINGS ON CUBAN EXILES, pg 19
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection, Box 15
T quo en au visita a1 inorrne cuwbinudn de nickel del norte de Orien- te (Nicaro, Msyari) advirtui quo no funcionabsn los *strictures del. poles metaiko
Snare U.se esmpeametlda pars eapsrtar, 40 all tosalidas d terse el peal's* ale, Mieatrea Canto, quien romp. was libra as bolo ss gra, aasgaa we pals on


Frederick Snare, Sr.: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137278800/frederick-snare

....and Allen and his brother John Foster Dulles just happened to be first cousins of Frederick Snare's son's wife, Ellen Dulles, since 1916.(1)(2)
2004 obit of son of Frederick Snare, Jr. and Ellen Dulles, Frederick III:
(1) https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bennington/obituary.aspx?n=frederick-snare&pid=2373852
(2) https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/12/archives/foster-r-dulles-historian-dies-educator-and-expert-on-far-east.html
1958, post CIA coup in Iran, the BP / CIA placed Shah sent his ambassador to Vermont to spend a weekend as a guest at the home
of J Foster Dulles first cousin and widow of Frederick Snares, Jr.:

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Bennington Evening Banner Newspaper Archives, Feb 14, 1958
https://newspaperarchive.com/bennington-evening-banner-feb-14-1958-p-1/
... expressing his ardor for Ellen Axson, the preacher's daughter who bacame his first wife in 1885. .... Full Weekend Planned For Ambassadors MANCHESTER — Two ... minded voters that Bennington Dr. Djalal Abdoh, Iranian am- has ordered all ... Edith Dulles Snare is hostess to will happen if Bennington does not1 Pratt ...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abdo
Ali Abdoh (Alan Morgan) (Persian: علی عبده‎) was an Iranian boxer and founder of Persepolis Athletic and Cultural Club. He was Chairman of Persepolis F.C. from 1963 to 1975.
.....Early life
He was born in 1928 in Iran. He was son of Mohammad Abdoh Boroujerdi who was a chief justice and expert in Islamic law in the Reza Shah era. He was also brother of Jalal Abdoh who was Iran's Ambassador to India and Italy and to the United Nations. Jalal Abdoh was also one of the members of the team that argued Iran's case against the British at the Hague for nationalization of its oil during the Mossadegh era.

Allen's daughter Clover's wedding announcement informs us her maid of honor, Eleanor Thomas, was Clover's cousin and I have already proved that this cousin's brother was the last person to see Priscilla's dad Stuart Johnson alive, in 1969. In her 1978 HSCA testimony, Priscilla offered the excuse for the 14 year wait for her book, Lee and Me, was due to her upset over the concealed suicide of her father.:
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