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Offline Barry Pollard

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2019, 05:41:37 PM »
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    I would disagree with the 12:34-12:35 time stamping of Darnell being behind the Pergola in that Hughes footage. Remember, Darnell while still on the South side of Elm St filmed the rear of the "Party Bus" and the Cop Car behind it as those 2 vehicles went under the Triple Underpass. These were the Last 2 vehicles in the JFK Motorcade. This means Darnell did Not even cross over to the North side of Elm St until the entire Motorcade had passed by him. This casts doubt that he would have reached that rear position behind the Pergola in only 4-5 minutes following the Kill Shot. Also, based on Darnell standing close to Cook in that Hughes snippet, and Cook having filmed the side of the TSBD and also filming almost straight down the Elm St Extension, would physically place Darnell on the extreme Eastern side/edge of the Pergola = somewhat close to the TSBD.  This would be a lot of ground for Darnell to cover in only 4-5 minutes when he did Not even cross Elm St until the Entire Motorcade had passed by him.

All IMHO Royell but Haygood is running up the "GK" as all three camera cars are still on Elm and yet to reach the UP, my estimate is about 1min after Z313 for that, the rush then starts immeadiatly after, with people changing directions and then like you say the buses pass have room to move and Darnell reacts to the police car siren.  It's all in the same neighborhood 70-90secs.  Ok, you know Craigs story, you know where he come from and where he went and about what general time, well what if Jimmy knew him, like Dave knew Lem and saw him running up the knoll because you know, that's Darnell's next stop and shoot point, right in Craigs face.  2mins or there about they're both in the RRY working it.  Bob Jackson too and Underwood a small time later(only no sign of real work).  Seeing all them people running is very hard to resist, if you were able enough you'd run too just to see what's up.  There's no real reason for what I just linked to with the huddle, being much more than the three minutes mark.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2019, 06:29:52 PM »
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It's not Hughes or even Bronson(my apologies)so it must be from the DCA films, I'll get it.

Derugo, @5:30, Craig talking to Darnell, Underwood and Jackson, common sense tells me that Jimmy filmed the TSBD after this
From Gerda's channel (RIP)
Also for the note takers, rewind to 5:27 to see Danny Arce standing behind Darnell with no shoulder strap again.
That is from the John Martin film in the DCA films. I thought this scene might be what you were describing, but I'm still lost on who or where was Jackson? Would that be 1 or 2 in this graphic? Number 1 never gives a better view of his head, but I don't think there is MC helmet. The Martin film is very useful as there are no splices during the Rail/Parking area. I'm trying to build a quilt from the patchs of isolated clips. Baby step progress...

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2019, 07:42:38 PM »
#1 yes, has to be Bob, dark raincoat and dark, slick hair.
#2 was caught by Cancellare near the corner under Haygood where the OP meets the fence, most would know his name, it never stuck with me, he went to the TSBD sometime after this and was another candidate for the "asking LHO for a phone" bit.
Haygood's call regarding the "this man's best guess it came from the Hertz building" comes at late 12:34pm, so he and Jackson may have already met before this gathering, if I'm correct, at all.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 07:55:14 PM »
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#1 yes, has to be Bob, dark raincoat and dark, slick hair.
#2 was caught by Cancellare near the corner under Haygood where the OP meets the fence, most would know his name, it never stuck with me, he went to the TSBD sometime after this and was another candidate for the "asking LHO for a phone" bit.
Haygood's call regarding the "this man's best guess it came from the Hertz building" comes at late 12:34pm, so he and Jackson may have already met before this gathering, if I'm correct, at all.
Ah, yes. I just read Trask's account of Couch and Jackson. I knew Couch jumped ship near the TUP, but did not recall Bob also jumping at the same time. Something for me to ponder.
Also, I was wondering if #2 might be the same individual in Cancellare's photo. Robert MacNeil.
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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 08:02:35 PM »
That's him, McNeil, with the voice, at least, looks a little like him, ty.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 08:02:35 PM »

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2019, 01:30:22 AM »
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James,

How long is the full-length Robert Hughes film?

What do you mean by "at roughly 12:34-12:35 by my estimate"?

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Thomas,
Sorry it took this long to respond. I needed to first present the PergolaWallClock technique before I could answer your question. The PergolaWalllClock indicates Rober Hughes has:
 
-completed his filming on Main street
-crossed the triangular infield
-entered the north pergola's west shelter (or possibly the pergola proper near the west shelter)
–filmed his first Rail/Parking yard scene with Toni Foster etc
–moved about 45 feet to the pergola patio steps near the Zapruder pedestal to film 8 seconds of the background buildings including an eastward sweep of Elm street by 12:33-12:34 .
Hughes then moved about 75 or slightly more feet to inside the east shelter to then film Jimmy Darnell, just as Darnell finished filming the west face of the TSBD.

All three Hughes scenes could have been easily completed in 1-2 minutes. Thus my estimate of 12:34-12:35 for the Darnell clip.


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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2019, 12:06:56 AM »
McNeil seen in the light colored suit facing the camera






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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 11:16:50 AM »
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James,
Underwood, too short, plus hat?
Cook himself perhaps??

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2019, 11:16:50 AM »

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2019, 02:58:18 AM »
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James,
Underwood, too short, plus hat?
Cook himself perhaps??
Barry,
I believe that is indeed Mr. Underwood. This stabilized gif shows no hat while his glasses and raincoat are evident. The above annotated frame was grabbed while Underwood was leaning (or is it bending?) into the conversation with Craig while Darnell cranks his camera spring. Don Cook is present in some of the TSBD doorway scenes, some including Howard Brennan. Cook was not wearing an overcoat or raincoat, iirc.

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Re: Cook? Films Darnell Filming West Face of the TSBD (revised)
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2019, 04:33:39 PM »
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All IMHO Royell but Haygood is running up the "GK" as all three camera cars are still on Elm and yet to reach the UP, my estimate is about 1min after Z313 for that, the rush then starts immeadiatly after, with people changing directions and then like you say the buses pass have room to move and Darnell reacts to the police car siren.  It's all in the same neighborhood 70-90secs.  Ok, you know Craigs story, you know where he come from and where he went and about what general time, well what if Jimmy knew him, like Dave knew Lem and saw him running up the knoll because you know, that's Darnell's next stop and shoot point, right in Craigs face.  2mins or there about they're both in the RRY working it.  Bob Jackson too and Underwood a small time later(only no sign of real work).  Seeing all them people running is very hard to resist, if you were able enough you'd run too just to see what's up.  There's no real reason for what I just linked to with the huddle, being much more than the three minutes mark.

    One of the Major stumbling blocks to the accepted time line you have bought into is DPD Officer Hargis MISSING from any Assassination Image showing the North Knoll. Hargis testified that he ran up to that Little Wall on the knoll. That is nowhere to be found on Any assassination image. My belief is the Camera Cars were at a Stop at the corner of Houston/Elm Longer than we have been led to believe. This same extended time goes for Hargis crossing Elm St and running to that Little Wall. And this same time extension would also apply to the JFK Limo being on Elm St and then being filmed by Wiegman going under the Triple Underpass.  Yeah, this is All about the JFK Limo either having slow-rolled down Elm St for an extended period of time, or possibly coming to a Stop. This would be roughly 30 seconds max having gone MIA.
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