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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2019, 02:51:05 AM »
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The size of the exit wound and the ruptured skull was definitely caused by the explosive exit wound.  However, there had to have been a significant piece of the missile to compress the brain matter that exploded out of the front part of the skull. Whether the skull ruptured because of the pressure alone before the bullet struck the skull from the inside or whether it occurred with the exit of that fragment through the skull is probably not possible to determine.

    "The fact that the fractures in a skull are due to temporary cavity formation
     was demonstrated by a series of experiments with skulls. When skulls were
     empty, the bullets 'drilled' neat entrances and exits without any fractures.
     When the skulls were filled with gelatin to simulate the brain, massive
     secondary skull fractures were produced."
          -- Vincent J.M. DiMaio ( Link )

How about this? 
  • Bullet enters skull at rear, disintegrates by time it gets through the bone
  • Bullet hole at rear of skull, with a few fractures radiating downwards
  • Fragment from the bullet strikes the inside of the upper-right skull,
    causing a regular-sized exit wound hole; not the large gaping wound
  • Maybe the exiting bullet fragment disintegrated further, with two
    pieces causing the strikes on the windshield and windshield frame
  • Or maybe a sizeable skull fragment did detach, along with the hinged
    Devil's Ear opening out; this would allow the unimpeded passage of
    other bullet fragments
  • Exit wound fragment (or following fragment) continues onward to
    impact windshield
  • Fractures extend from the exit opening ("secondary" fractures)
  • Temporary cavity formation now occurs within the now-weakened cranium
  • Cavity forces large skull fragments to detach along existing skull fractures
    and/or new ones caused by the cavity, resulting in the large gaping wound
The only thing I go against in what DiMaio states is that the bullet caused fractures at the in-shoot and out-shoot, while DiMaio says there would have been "neat" holes without fractures.

The pressure impulse from the temporary cavity occurs in the wake of the bullet. Ballistic-wise, the brain is consider a liquid. I'm a layman when it comes to the medical evidence.
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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2019, 05:12:46 AM »
How about this? 
  • Bullet enters skull at rear, disintegrates by time it gets through the bone
What do you mean by disintegrate? The bullet will compress and the jacket will rupture and molten lead will spray out.
   
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  • Bullet hole at rear of skull, with a few fractures radiating downwards
If a bullet will just make a bullet sized hole in glass, why would it radiate cracks on the entrance to a skull?


Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2019, 12:06:11 AM »
 Ah yes the single frame of forward motion somehow takes precedence over the end result of the motion Lots of drawing from the review board folks and we all know how different those descriptions are than Parkland and Bethesda

 Where are all the nutters who believe that force in physics causes and equal and opposite reaction and like to show sheep falling towards the direction of the shot. They would of course say the initial forward motion is indicative of a shot from the front Such consistency from you folks
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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2019, 04:51:30 PM »
Ah yes the single frame of forward motion somehow takes precedence over the end result of the motion Lots of drawing from the review board folks and we all know how different those descriptions are than Parkland and Bethesda

 Where are all the nutters who believe that force in physics causes and equal and opposite reaction and like to show sheep falling towards the direction of the shot. They would of course say the initial forward motion is indicative of a shot from the front Such consistency from you folks
Do you mean physicists who have explained how a bullet that causes an explosive head wound can drive the head back in the direction opposite to that of the incoming bullet, because Newton's third law (for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction) requires it?

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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2019, 01:27:53 AM »
Perhaps you can distinguish for me when to apply the law of conservation of momentum as opposed to Newtons third law?

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2019, 04:20:25 AM »
Jet Effect.







Also worth looking at is a comparison of the coconut explosion above and the following gif, and again we see a similar dispersal of matter.



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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2019, 04:38:57 AM »
Perhaps you can distinguish for me when to apply the law of conservation of momentum as opposed to Newtons third law?

 
Z312/Z313: Bullet impact from behind occurs between frames. Transfer of momentum causes head to be pushed forward. Temporary cavity formation in wake of bullet causes right-top of skull to explode outward.

 
Z313ff: Matter exploding out of skull creates a jet that pushes the head in the opposite direction: downward and backward after Z313. Head doesn't return to its Z312 position (relative to the back seat) until Z315/Z316 (the head is nearly at the Z312 position by Z315 and is rearward of the Z312 position by Z316).

Single-cause event with predictable and duplicable sequential actions.

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Re: What physics reveals about the JFK event
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2019, 05:09:04 AM »
Firstly off it is interesting that no one is offering any clarification on Newton's laws and the absolute opposite interpretations that are being offered. Good old Aristotle and the law of the excluded middle is often a worthy ride at times such as these. Yes the good old jet effect. Never demonstrated other than with liquid or near liquid materials as far as I have seen. Also the jet is visible in the examples JM has offered The only jet we see from JFK's skull is heading upward so the jet effect should be driving him down into the seat. Just for the sake of ridiculous argument any such 'jet' would have come from JFK's right and therefore would have been driven back to his right

 I guess this is better than the twitch theory, but that is not saying much

 Jerry Organ said

Matter exploding out of skull creates a jet that pushes the head in the opposite direction: downward and backward after Z313.

 You would have need the right front of JFK's skull to have blown out completely to have created a jet effect that would have moved his head back and to the left. That didn't happen. You would have also needed to see a volume of jet material comparable to the examples given by JM. You would need to see a massive amount of material being blown out in the direction previously described Did not happen not even close.
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