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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2019, 07:13:57 PM »
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I do remember a lot of paranoia concerning the nuclear threat. Backyard bomb shelters and such. The final scene of the movie “Dr Strangelove” with Slim Pickens riding on the falling bomb was pretty scary to my younger cousin.


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Online Charles Collins

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« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2019, 08:08:04 PM »

Yes, we were both accustomed to the typical happy endings of movies geared toward kids. And we had no idea what kind of movie we were going to see. Only that the title was intriguing. So that ending came as quite a shock!

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« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2019, 09:03:27 PM »
Yes, we were both accustomed to the typical happy endings of movies geared toward kids. And we had no idea what kind of movie we were going to see. Only that the title was intriguing. So that ending came as quite a shock!

Great black humour in the movie, though


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Offline Ross Lidell

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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2019, 09:44:08 PM »
You may well be right Paul. Personally, I think you're giving Oswald too deep a motive. I believe Oswald was on the edge of losing it for years. The failure to reconcile with Marina pushed him over the edge and the nasty little bastard just went out and 'did it' out of pure spite. No plan, no thought of escape. The SOB just wanted to get even with the world, get 'famous'. Who really knows? You can't explain the motives of a nut job.

You're right Denis. However, the language does not fit the location... Texas.

Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy out of "sheer cussedness".

CUSSEDNESS: meanspirited, disagreeable, contrariness
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2019, 02:08:15 AM »
According to Marina, he lied because he enjoyed it, not because he needed to.

And I don’t recall seeing any evidence of your idea of the motive.

You're comfortable in believing that the chump ( patsy) performed the impossible....Sweet Dreams.. Charlie.

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Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2019, 03:01:21 AM »
Oswald, as was his nature had a fundamental issue with the American government. He believed the government worked against the average American; the working class. As head of the government, the POTUS was responsible. Those who knew Oswald have said over the years that he, Oswald liked and admired Kennedy on a personal level. Didn’t matter in Oswald’s damaged psyche. He wasn’t shooting JFK.  He was shooting the POTUS and all that position represented in the world.  Chaos. He believed guns were made to change the world.

Paul,

In general I agree with your assessment.

The way I see it, Oswald was a self-described Castro-loving Marxist who held a grudge against all governments (except Cuba's), and against the U.S. government in particular.

If he killed Kennedy, he did so not only to speed up "the dialectics of history," but -- having read about Castro's 7th of September dire warning to "American leaders" who were trying to knock him off -- to prevent Jack and Bobby from killing Castro before the 1964 presidential election.

-- MWT  ;)

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Offline Allan Fritzke

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« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2019, 04:10:48 PM »
There is a full and complete accounting of Oswald's finances and how he got his job in Russia.  Do you really believe that if Oswald was on someone's payroll to assassinate the president that this income would be reflected on his W-2s?  Whew.  Oswald only failed to hit Walker because his bullet deflected off of a window frame.  Oswald was trained to shoot a rifle in the USMC.

Where is this information?   We don't need witnesses, we need paper evidence such as bank statements and transactions.  The Warren Commission adopted a prosecutor stance that the shooting involved a single lone nut gunman LHO and they brought only documents forward to support that - nothing ever to the contrary.

Look at modern day George Papadopoulos, lured to Rome and interviewed by CIA/FBI team members working with them and for them.     Then the information is used against him.   So.......you interview who you want, pick and choose statements and introduce them as evidence of collusion - very corrupt system and this is not the first time "framing" has occurred to gain the end result!     When you control the narrative and evidence gathering by using "media" and "insiders", you can control the end game.   The continued bombardment of Trump as a babbling fool by the MSM has a purpose.   This is no different than controlling when and what people were allowed to see with LHO.    More than 50 years later,  documents still withheld from the public as a matter of national security!    Why the need for secrecy if it wasn't a coup?    Trumps polls are weak because of the dirt the propaganda network throws against him daily.   JFK and him are the only 2 presidents that never drew a wage for themselves - they tried or try to do things for the good of their country.   

In the case of JFK, independent investigators were not  allowed to question the handling or gathering of evidence - including the removal of the President's limousine from the crime scene in Texas - just another one of those things where independent investigators were prevented from finding the truth and they could control the story line.   Providing documents typed out from witnesses and having them sign them controls the situation.   No grand jury and a special investigative teams provides bias reporting and fuels conspiracy!   Examples,  "Warren Commission Report",  "911 Report" and now "Mueller Report".    It all becomes a "matter of national security" as you have to "filter" what the people are allowed to see!    Put the right people on the investigative team and you make it one-sided and purposeful.  JMO.

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Online Richard Smith

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« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2019, 04:25:39 PM »
Where is this information?   We don't need witnesses, we need paper evidence such as bank statements and transactions.  The Warren Commission adopted a prosecutor stance that the shooting involved a single lone nut gunman LHO and they brought only documents forward to support that - nothing ever to the contrary.

Look at modern day George Papadopoulos, lured to Rome and interviewed by CIA/FBI team members working with them and for them.     Then the information is used against him.   So.......you interview who you want, pick and choose statements and introduce them as evidence of collusion - very corrupt system and this is not the first time "framing" has occurred to gain the end result!     When you control the narrative and evidence gathering by using "media" and "insiders", you can control the end game.   The continued bombardment of Trump as a babbling fool by the MSM has a purpose.   This is no different than controlling when and what people were allowed to see with LHO.    More than 50 years later,  documents still withheld from the public as a matter of national security!    Why the need for secrecy if it wasn't a coup?    Trumps polls are weak because of the dirt the propaganda network throws against him daily.   JFK and him are the only 2 presidents that never drew a wage for themselves - they tried or try to do things for the good of their country.   

In the case of JFK, independent investigators were not  allowed to question the handling or gathering of evidence - including the removal of the President's limousine from the crime scene in Texas - just another one of those things where independent investigators were prevented from finding the truth and they could control the story line.   Providing documents typed out from witnesses and having them sign them controls the situation.   No grand jury and a special investigative teams provides bias reporting and fuels conspiracy!   Examples,  "Warren Commission Report",  "911 Report" and now "Mueller Report".    It all becomes a "matter of national security" as you have to "filter" what the people are allowed to see!    Put the right people on the investigative team and you make it one-sided and purposeful.  JMO.

An accounting of Oswald's finances is laid out in detail by the WC.  In addition, various "researchers" - most of whom believe in Oswald's innocence - have turned over every stone for the past 50 plus years grasping at any straw.  There is nothing in his finances that lends credence to a conspiracy connection.  This is the most investigated case in the history of crime.   Your objection appears more related to the conclusions reached than the investigation.   There are legitimate reasons for not releasing every document among the millions generated by this case.  For example, many people and their families who may have assisted the FBI and CIA in their investigation of Oswald's alleged connections to the Mob, Russians, and Cubans are still alive and subject to repercussions for their cooperation.  My understanding is that many of Oswald's tax documents have been released and can be found via a simple Google search.  To the extent that any are not available, it is a matter of privacy laws rather than any cover up.