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Online Charles Collins

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Motive
« on: May 31, 2019, 12:29:13 PM »


"I wonder what would happen if somebody was to stand up and say he was utterly opposed not only to the governments, but to the people, too the entire land and complete foundations of his socically."  Lee Harvey Oswald - 1962 (CE 25, 16 H 106.)


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Online Joe Mannix

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Re: Motive
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2019, 11:57:17 PM »
Seriously?

"I have committed no act of violence!"

"I didn't shoot anyone, no sir"

Pretty cowardly if that was his motive.

PS - The motive was to kill JFK and blame it on Cuba/USSR resulting in an immediate invasion of Cuba.
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 12:46:29 AM »
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Seriously?

"I have committed no act of violence!"

"I didn't shoot anyone, no sir"

Pretty cowardly if that was his motive.

PS - The motive was to kill JFK and blame it on Cuba/USSR resulting in an immediate invasion of Cuba.

According to Marina, he lied because he enjoyed it, not because he needed to.

And I don’t recall seeing any evidence of your idea of the motive.

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2019, 01:32:48 AM »
Read more. Process data in a logical fashion. You'll understand. Post less in the meantime.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2019, 02:30:43 AM »
Oswald, as was his nature had a fundamental issue with the American government. He believed the government worked against the average American; the working class. As head of the government, the POTUS was responsible. Those who knew Oswald have said over the years that he, Oswald liked and admired Kennedy on a personal level. Didn’t matter in Oswald’s damaged psyche. He wasn’t shooting JFK.  He was shooting the POTUS and all that position represented in the world.  Chaos. He believed guns were made to change the world.

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Online Charles Collins

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Read more. Process data in a logical fashion. You'll understand. Post less in the meantime.

Read more what? More conjecture and innuendo? I grew tired of that years ago.

Logic is good. Maybe you can use some to help you to determine the difference between conjecture and innuendo and credible evidence.

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2019, 05:26:11 PM »
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Oswald, as was his nature had a fundamental issue with the American government. He believed the government worked against the average American; the working class. As head of the government, the POTUS was responsible. Those who knew Oswald have said over the years that he, Oswald liked and admired Kennedy on a personal level. Didn’t matter in Oswald’s damaged psyche. He wasn’t shooting JFK.  He was shooting the POTUS and all that position represented in the world.  Chaos. He believed guns were made to change the world.

You may well be right Paul. Personally, I think you're giving Oswald too deep a motive. I believe Oswald was on the edge of losing it for years. The failure to reconcile with Marina pushed him over the edge and the nasty little bastard just went out and 'did it' out of pure spite. No plan, no thought of escape. The SOB just wanted to get even with the world, get 'famous'. Who really knows? You can't explain the motives of a nut job.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2019, 10:23:18 PM »
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Oswald, as was his nature had a fundamental issue with the American government. He believed the government worked against the average American; the working class. As head of the government, the POTUS was responsible. Those who knew Oswald have said over the years that he, Oswald liked and admired Kennedy on a personal level. Didn’t matter in Oswald’s damaged psyche. He wasn’t shooting JFK.  He was shooting the POTUS and all that position represented in the world.  Chaos. He believed guns were made to change the world.

LHO was both neglected and spoiled as a child and desired a lot of attention. He also had a history of doing something dramatic whenever he didn't get his way. I believe that he hatched his plan to defect to the Soviet Union about the time he had to spend time in the Marine Corps brig in Japan. The typical treatment given the prisoners in the brig at that time was very harsh. I suspect that teen-aged LHO's resentment of the U.S. government was greatly hardened by that treatment. When life in the Soviet Union didn't turn out to be the utopia he dreamed of, his malcontent disposition (and some help from the government he resented so much) brought him back here. His frustrations apparently turned to attempted murder (Walker) in the spring of 1963. When he learned that the JFK motorcade was going to be coming by his place of work it presented a chance for him to try an assassination. And LHO's military training enabled him to devise a very good surprise ambush plan that worked.

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You may well be right Paul. Personally, I think you're giving Oswald too deep a motive. I believe Oswald was on the edge of losing it for years. The failure to reconcile with Marina pushed him over the edge and the nasty little bastard just went out and 'did it' out of pure spite. No plan, no thought of escape. The SOB just wanted to get even with the world, get 'famous'. Who really knows? You can't explain the motives of a nut job.

I believe that LHO would have gone ahead with his plan regardless of how Marina responded to his request. The temptation was too great for him. And he tried to make her feel partially responsible by leaving his ring, money, etc.

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LHO was both neglected and spoiled as a child and desired a lot of attention. He also had a history of doing something dramatic whenever he didn't get his way. I believe that he hatched his plan to defect to the Soviet Union about the time he had to spend time in the Marine Corps brig in Japan. The typical treatment given the prisoners in the brig at that time was very harsh. I suspect that teen-aged LHO's resentment of the U.S. government was greatly hardened by that treatment. When life in the Soviet Union didn't turn out to be the utopia he dreamed of, his malcontent disposition (and some help from the government he resented so much) brought him back here. His frustrations apparently turned to attempted murder (Walker) in the spring of 1963. When he learned that the JFK motorcade was going to be coming by his place of work it presented a chance for him to try an assassination. And LHO's military training enabled him to devise a very good surprise ambush plan that worked.

Hi Charles, I can certainly agree with your profile of Oswald. As you can tell from my previous post, I believe the assassination was more spontaneous than yourself but I'd be the first to admit that's only my opinion, your version may well be correct. What I can't agree with is your statement; "a very good surprise ambush plan that worked." Charles, Oswald walked into the TSBD the morning of the assassination carrying a rifle in a bag, he then 'hoped' the sixth floor would be empty, it nearly wasn't, Oswald then fires a rifle from a window...I'm sorry but I just see "a very good surprise ambush plan". In fact, I just can't see any real plan at all!
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