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Offline Colin Crow

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Oswald is the real assassin
« on: May 30, 2019, 11:11:45 AM »
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We all know of the Katzenbach memo......

"J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, was adamant that the American public needed to believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in shooting the president and stated that concern in an internal memo on Nov. 24, 1963—the day Jack Ruby killed Oswald. Hoover said: “There is nothing further on the Oswald case except that he is dead.” Hoover referred to the Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach helping ensure that the public did not believe there was any wider plan to help Oswald: “The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/j-edgar-hoover-public-has-to-believe-lee-harvey-oswald-acted-alone

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/

After 56 years........looks like a solid F to me.

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Oswald is the real assassin
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2019, 11:27:17 AM »
We all know of the Katzenbach memo......

"J. Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI when John F. Kennedy was assassinated, was adamant that the American public needed to believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in shooting the president and stated that concern in an internal memo on Nov. 24, 1963—the day Jack Ruby killed Oswald. Hoover said: “There is nothing further on the Oswald case except that he is dead.” Hoover referred to the Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach helping ensure that the public did not believe there was any wider plan to help Oswald: “The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin.”"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/j-edgar-hoover-public-has-to-believe-lee-harvey-oswald-acted-alone

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politics-most-americans-believe-in-jfk-conspiracies/

After 56 years........looks like a solid F to me.

Let's look at just some of the evidence at that stage.

Oswald was charged with two murders.
It was Oswald's rifle.
Oswald had no alibi.
Oswald lied throughout the interrogation.
Oswald fled in a bus and after being stuck in traffic, he got out and then transferred to a cab.
Oswald lived alone in a rooming house.

Given those facts, it's pretty clear that Oswald did it and the fact that he had no one to help him get outta town, conclusively proves he was a one man show, imo.

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2019, 11:44:06 AM »
Let's look at just some of the evidence at that stage.

Oswald was charged with two murders.
It was Oswald's rifle.
Oswald had no alibi.
Oswald lied throughout the interrogation.
Oswald fled in a bus and after being stuck in traffic, he got out and then transferred to a cab.
Oswald lived alone in a rooming house.

Given those facts, it's pretty clear that Oswald did it and the fact that he had no one to help him get outta town, conclusively proves he was a one man show, imo.

JohnM

John,,......it’s the majority of the wider public that don’t believe. If Walter and Dan can’t convince them who can? After 56 years no less. JEH placed the essential criteria for success on day 3, now after more than 20,000 days.......the key KPI is still a miss. That’s the fact.

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2019, 11:48:15 AM »
It is important that all the facts surrounding President Kennedy's assassination be made public...


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62268#relPageId=29

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Offline Colin Crow

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2019, 11:58:12 AM »
It is important that all the facts surrounding President Kennedy's assassination be made public...


https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62268#relPageId=29

JohnM

And a big Fail. The numbers don’t lie. It was JEH who set the KPI.

A 4 year investigation conducted a decade after the event concluded.

The responsibility of the Secret Service to investigate the assassination was terminated when the Federal Bureau of Investigation assumed primary investigative responsibility.
The Department of Justice failed to exercise initiative in supervising and directing the investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation adequately investigated Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination and properly evaluated the evidence it possessed to assess his potential to endanger the public safety in a national emergency.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was deficient in its sharing of information with other agencies and departments.
The Central Intelligence Agency was deficient in its collection and sharing of information both prior to and subsequent to the assassination.
The Warren Commission performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Warren Commission conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. This deficiency was attributable in part to the failure of the Commission to receive all the relevant information that was in the possession of other agencies and departments of the Government.
The Warren Commission arrived at its conclusions, based on the evidence available to it, in good faith.
The Warren Commission presented the conclusions in its report in a fashion that was too definitive.

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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2019, 12:04:11 PM »
And a big Fail. The numbers don’t lie. It was JEH who set the KPI.

A 4 year investigation conducted a decade after the event concluded.

The responsibility of the Secret Service to investigate the assassination was terminated when the Federal Bureau of Investigation assumed primary investigative responsibility.
The Department of Justice failed to exercise initiative in supervising and directing the investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation adequately investigated Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination and properly evaluated the evidence it possessed to assess his potential to endanger the public safety in a national emergency.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation was deficient in its sharing of information with other agencies and departments.
The Central Intelligence Agency was deficient in its collection and sharing of information both prior to and subsequent to the assassination.
The Warren Commission performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of its duties.
The Warren Commission conducted a thorough and professional investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination.
The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. This deficiency was attributable in part to the failure of the Commission to receive all the relevant information that was in the possession of other agencies and departments of the Government.
The Warren Commission arrived at its conclusions, based on the evidence available to it, in good faith.
The Warren Commission presented the conclusions in its report in a fashion that was too definitive.

What, a government investigation, how can they be trusted?
What's their motivation?
Who's paying for it?
Are they simply pandering to a small but vocal section of the community?

JohnM

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2019, 12:12:15 PM »
What, a government investigation, how can they be trusted?
What's their motivation?
Who's paying for it?
Are they simply pandering to a small but vocal section of the community?

JohnM

At least you didn’t raise the dictabelt......but not much of an argument either. Numerous polls over the 56 years prove beyond doubt the failure of the WC. The pas/fail criteria for the WC clearly stated by JEH on 24 November 1963.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald is the real assassin
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2019, 03:59:04 PM »
Let's look at just some of the evidence at that stage.

Oswald was charged with two murders.

This is evidence?

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It was Oswald's rifle.

LOL

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Oswald had no alibi.

Neither did at least 6 other people in the TSBD alone.

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Oswald lied throughout the interrogation.

"Lie" defined as contradicting Mytton's assumptions about what happened.

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Oswald fled in a bus and after being stuck in traffic, he got out and then transferred to a cab.

This is "evidence"?

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