CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?

[Jerry Organ]

Not sure if Walts preplant rifle theory is correct or not but something is amiss with the failure to photograph the original configuration wall of boxes BEFORE they were moved

Near as I can determine, Boone, Weitzman, Studebaker and Day all testified or said nothing was moved prior to taking the in-situ photos, of which there were two.

It’s the same as the failure to photograph the Paper bag claimed to be right there on the floor in the SN and suggesting a dotted line outline in the
“Reconstruction photo” is proof it was there

They didn't immediately realize the paper bag was evidence.

[John Iacoletti]

They didn't immediately realize the paper bag was evidence.

It’s still not.

[Walt Cakebread]

Near as I can determine, Boone, Weitzman, Studebaker and Day all testified or said nothing was moved prior to taking the in-situ photos, of which there were two.
They didn't immediately realize the paper bag was evidence.

No, they said the rifle wasn't touched....I believe someone started removing the boxes from above the rifle and either,  Boone  or Weitzman told them to leave the boxes alone because they might have finger prints on them....

So they recognized that the rifle had been placed on the floor beneath the pallet and then the boxes had to have been handled.

[Walt Cakebread]

Not sure if Walts preplant rifle theory is correct or not but something is amiss with the failure to photograph the original configuration wall of boxes BEFORE they were moved

It’s the same as the failure to photograph the Paper bag claimed to be right there on the floor in the SN and suggesting a dotted line outline in the
“Reconstruction photo” is proof it was there

Not sure if Walts preplant rifle theory is correct or not but something is amiss with the failure to photograph the original configuration wall of boxes BEFORE they were moved

12:30   Shots fired...

12: 31: 20  Baker and Truly encounter Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom...

At 12:30 Baker looked up at the TSBD and saw pigeons bursting from behind the Hertz sign on the roof of the TSBD......At 12:30: 20  Baker parked his motorcycle and ran into the TSBD.....   At 12:31 Baker started up the stairs....At 12:31: 10 Baker reached the 2nd floor landing....  It took ten seconds for Baker to climb one flight of stairs.   So it would have required about forty seconds for Baker to reach the sixth floor after encountering Lee Oswald in the lunchroom.....But Let's say he too 15 seconds to talk to Lee in the lunchroom and another 15 or 20 seconds to talk to the guy on either the third or fourth floor.....   So let's say it took Baker about 160 or 170 seconds after the first shot to reach the sixth floor.....  The rifle could not have been hidden in the manner it was hidden in less that about three minutes and the person would have to have been in the position that Boone was in when he saw the tiny portion of the butt of the rifle.  He could not have been in the aisle.    And he would still have been there when Baker arrived .....   Therefore the rifle could NOT have been hidden AFTER the shooting.

[Bill Chapman]

Wow... That's got to be a record.... An idiot contradicting himself in in the same breath....

"I would rather have had Oswald stand trial".....     "Jack Ruby who did you lot a solid."

Ruby did the entire conspiracy-monger species a solid by (inadvertently) creating this conspiracy all by himself.

And, by association, a 'life' for you and your fellow paranoids.

And why are you talking about Trump ("an idiot who contradicts himself in the same breath") in the first place? I'm clearly addressing how Little Prick#2 inadvertently created a multi-million dollar industry that has given oh-so-many of your paranoid species a place where you can pretend to feel important, finally, in something in life.

No wonder you lot heap so much praise on Little Prick#1.

[Bill Chapman]

Bil, having trouble expressing yourself? You need to stop the shock treatment altogether and hit the bottle

We certainly know how you express yourself

[Walt Cakebread]

My point I was trying to make was that Weizmann must have seen the rifle INSIDE the 4” space gap of the pallet and this was where the rifle was originally before it was moved to the “set up” position as photographed

I have no doubt now that it WAS possible for a rifle to have been placed inside the  4” thru the open space under a pallet if the rifle is inserted thru either East or west end of a pallet

Therefore Walt’s theory of pre planting rifle is possible and is as simple as someone on ground floor wedging the rifle in the pallet using probably those wades pieces of paper seen in photo

The rifle is then transported to the 6th floor by the unwitting fork lift operator

It’s also possible that the rifle could have been placed inside the pallet after the shooting but IMO this would preclude Oswald having done so since travel time around to one of those available East or west end open part of a pallet and sliding rifle inside would add at least another 15 secs to the timeline which = Oswald cannot have made it to 2nd floor landing by 75 sec post shots fired.

My calculation of time required for Oswald on the 6th floor is as follows

5 secs to slowly withdraw rifle window allowing Malcolm Couch to spot it after hearing Bob Jackson shouting about seeing it

5 sec to get up from kneeling and get out of the tight space of the SN

25 secs to double time approx 8ft/ sec As Oswald travels 180 ft to get the boxes near staircase
(Note here added  3 sec for acceleration and deceleration to avg speed of 8ft/sec over 180ft= 22 sec

15 sec added to travel around stacked boxes, find the nearest pallet of boxes to hide the rifle underneath

10 sec to wipe rifle of prints and kneel down and insert rifle thru west end of the pallet while holding it with rag so as not to leave any prints
 
5 sec to get up from kneeling down at the pallet and travel to the staircase


Total time required = 65 secs of time used on the 6th floor before Oswald could have started a descent down the staircase at about a 10sec per floor pace.

Conclusions:
1.  Oswald cannot even barely make it to the 5th floor landing by 75 sec post shots
2. Oswald would not have passed by the 4th floor landing until 85 sec post shots therefore even higher probability Dorothy Garner should have seen him
before she saw Baker/Truly coming up the staircase

3.Oswald does not reach 2nd floor lunchroom until 105 sec post shots well beyond the 75 sec timeline required to have been seen by Baker as Baker looked thru the 2x2 window approx 80-83 sec post shots

I have no doubt now that it WAS possible for a rifle to have been placed inside the  4” thru the open space under a pallet if the rifle is inserted thru either East or west end of a pallet

4 inches?....There apparently was a much wider gap between the rows of boxes that made up the north and south sides of the crevasse  The photos seem to show a wider gap ...

The rifle was probably placed beneath the pallet from the west.....Because the heaviest part of the rifle was the butt end, and the butt was to the west  with the muzzle pointing east.    It would have been natural to handle the rifle by the heaviest end .....

Then after the rifle was placed on the floor beneath the pallet the person only needed to place a couple of boxes over the gap between the rows of boxes on the north and south sides  of the rifle and another to seal the west end of the crevasse. 

[Jerry Organ]

I have no doubt now that it WAS possible for a rifle to have been placed inside the  4” thru the open space under a pallet if the rifle is inserted thru either East or west end of a pallet

4 inches?....There apparently was a much wider gap between the rows of boxes that made up the north and south sides of the crevasse  The photos seem to show a wider gap ...

The rifle was probably placed beneath the pallet from the west.....Because the heaviest part of the rifle was the butt end, and the butt was to the west  with the muzzle pointing east.    It would have been natural to handle the rifle by the heaviest end .....

Then after the rifle was placed on the floor beneath the pallet the person only needed to place a couple of boxes over the gap between the rows of boxes on the north and south sides  of the rifle and another to seal the west end of the crevasse.

Then along comes Weitzman with his face to the floor so he see through the 3/4" gap between the side-board of the pallet and the floor.