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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #650 on: February 16, 2020, 08:00:14 PM »
He had gloves? Do tell.
Oswald had 3 dimes on him. A dead giveaway in some quarters.

If there were any smeared prints, especially on the trigger, then Oswald did not wear gloves.

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Others will disagree with 'kept his prints off'

Are those the same 'others' that Drumpf 'hears' things from?

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Prints are dead easy to at least smear. The term 'unusable' comes to mind.

How many smeared 'unusable' prints were found on the rifle and how could they tell them apart from the many bumbling Keystone Kops that manhandled ALL the evidence with their bare hands? Fritz actually saw the 3 hulls in a tight group near the window in the sniper's nest and picked them up with his bare hands, placed them in his pocket then later tossed them back onto the floor for a staged in situ photo of the crime scene in a more believable ejection pattern.

The DPD handled all the evidence this way for the Crime of the Century, no less. Do you think they were ever this incompetent even for a common burglary? Were they nervous because this was the most important case of their lives? Or was it because they were worried about screwing up their roles in the Big Event, like finding the Mauser or mishandling the evidence or a rush to judgement or with inexplicable backyard photo re-enactments or letting Ruby gut shoot Oswald, etc.?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #651 on: February 16, 2020, 08:35:07 PM »
If there were any smeared prints, especially on the trigger, then Oswald did not wear gloves.

Is there a single case where an identifiable print was lifted off a trigger and used in court to convict?

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Are those the same 'others' that Drumpf 'hears' things from?

How many smeared 'unusable' prints were found on the rifle and how could they tell them apart from the many bumbling Keystone Kops that manhandled ALL the evidence with their bare hands? Fritz actually saw the 3 hulls in a tight group near the window in the sniper's nest and picked them up with his bare hands, placed them in his pocket then later tossed them back onto the floor for a staged in situ photo of the crime scene in a more believable ejection pattern.

The DPD handled all the evidence this way for the Crime of the Century, no less. Do you think they were ever this incompetent even for a common burglary? Were they nervous because this was the most important case of their lives? Or was it because they were worried about screwing up their roles in the Big Event, like finding the Mauser or mishandling the evidence or a rush to judgement or with inexplicable backyard photo re-enactments or letting Ruby gut shoot Oswald, etc.?

He didn't count them but Day saw several unusable prints on the rifle. The wooden stock itself was absorbent and not good at retaining prints.

I doubt the validity of Tom Alyea's Fritz story. "More believable ejection pattern"? Did Fritz have a book with him on "Hull Ejection Patterns"? There was no Mauser. The BY photos have been authenticated. You're gullible.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #652 on: February 16, 2020, 09:08:13 PM »


Pictures not showing the rifle were taken much later, and the position of the box on the floor may have changed, though I agree with Tim that there is enough gap there. The rifle as it rested in the original gap was captured in two in-situ photographs taken just after the rifle's discovery.

Geeze. Weitzman saw the rifle (I don't think he could see the middle position from his angle) looking through the pallet platform openings and beyond. You're misconstrued this to mean the rifle was underneath the pallet.

Mr. BALL - I have three pictures here which I have marked, respectively, D, E, F. I show you D first. Does that look anything like the location where you found the gun?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; this is taken the opposite side the flat I was looking under.
Mr. BALL - Looking from the top side of this picture?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Well, I would be looking over--Boone was looking the top side; I was looking under the flat.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #653 on: February 16, 2020, 11:06:01 PM »
Mr. BALL - I have three pictures here which I have marked, respectively, D, E, F. I show you D first. Does that look anything like the location where you found the gun?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Yes, sir; this is taken the opposite side the flat I was looking under.
Mr. BALL - Looking from the top side of this picture?
Mr. WEITZMAN - Well, I would be looking over--Boone was looking the top side; I was looking under the flat.

He was looking under the pallet AND through it's open areas when he saw the rifle. He was "looking under" as well as "looking over" to where the rifle was.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #654 on: February 17, 2020, 12:33:59 AM »


Pictures not showing the rifle were taken much later, and the position of the box on the floor may have changed, though I agree with Tim that there is enough gap there. The rifle as it rested in the original gap was captured in two in-situ photographs taken just after the rifle's discovery.

Geeze. Weitzman saw the rifle (I don't think he could see the middle position from his angle) looking through the pallet platform openings and beyond. You're misconstrued this to mean the rifle was underneath the pallet.

You've completely ignored the fact that Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle at 15' 4".....The narrow crack is only 13 feet from the north wall.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #655 on: February 17, 2020, 12:56:31 AM »
Is there a single case where an identifiable print was lifted off a trigger and used in court to convict?

Probably not, but the fact that there was a smeared print on the trigger meant that Oswald did not wear gloves. In which case, where are all the other prints?

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He didn't count them but Day saw several unusable prints on the rifle. The wooden stock itself was absorbent and not good at retaining prints.

Sure he did. Where's the report? And I don't mean a transcript of his

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I doubt the validity of Tom Alyea's Fritz story.

Of course you do.

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"More believable ejection pattern"? Did Fritz have a book with him on "Hull Ejection Patterns"?

It doesn't take a genius to look at 3 hulls within a 1 foot radius and realize there is a problem with that.

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There was no Mauser.

Sure there wasn't. Where did Craig get the 7.65 number from? His ass?

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The BY photos have been authenticated. You're gullible.

LOL. Authenticated by whom, you? Besides, I was talking about the inexplicable backyard photo re-enactments by the DPD and the cutout superimposition of CE 399c. WTF was that for? (rhetorical) And how many photos did Marina take anyway? And what was Roscoe White doing with undocumented CE 399c? And I'm gullible?  :D

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #656 on: February 17, 2020, 02:01:30 AM »
Probably not, but the fact that there was a smeared print on the trigger meant that Oswald did not wear gloves. In which case, where are all the other prints?

The wooden stock was absorbent. Prints on the metal trigger-guard housing were noticed and professionally photographed by Day.

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Sure he did. Where's the report? And I don't mean a transcript of his

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Of course you do.

It doesn't take a genius to look at 3 hulls within a 1 foot radius and realize there is a problem with that.

Sure there wasn't. Where did Craig get the 7.65 number from? His ass?


Is that a term for when he claims something he wasn't told and didn't read on the rifle?

   Mr. BALL - In the statement that you made to the Dallas Police Department that afternoon,
                     you referred to the rifle as a 7.65 Mauser bolt action?
   Mr. WEITZMAN - In a glance, that's what it looked like.
   Mr. BALL - That's what it looked like did you say that or someone else say that?
   Mr. WEITZMAN - No; I said that. I thought it was one.

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LOL. Authenticated by whom, you? Besides, I was talking about the inexplicable backyard photo re-enactments by the DPD and the cutout superimposition of CE 399c. WTF was that for? (rhetorical) And how many photos did Marina take anyway? And what was Roscoe White doing with undocumented CE 399c? And I'm gullible?  :D

CE 399c?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #657 on: February 17, 2020, 02:04:10 AM »
You've completely ignored the fact that Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle at 15' 4".....The narrow crack is only 13 feet from the north wall.

The so-called crack is certainly south of the center of the brick column, which is centered on 13'.


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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #658 on: February 17, 2020, 02:07:45 AM »
Maybe that's your problem. You're blind.
You apparently have more than one. 

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #659 on: February 17, 2020, 02:33:14 AM »
You apparently have more than one.

Walt and you share a similar spatial perception problem.

 

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