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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #640 on: February 16, 2020, 03:33:45 PM »
That's a fair question. I don't actually know the date it was mailed. How does Jerry Freeman know what date it was mailed? Have you asked him?
Sorry ...
http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
Supposedly information based on and taken from the Report.
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January 28, 1962: LHO orders a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver by mail.
 Should be [if it indeed happened] 1963
 March 9-10, 1963: LHO takes photographs of the home of General Edwin Walker, a right wing activist.
March 12, 1963: Ruth Paine visits Marina at the new apartment. Also that day, LHO orders a rifle from Klein's Sporting Goods in Chicago.
March 20, 1963: The rifle and the revolver are shipped
March 25, 1963: LHO picks up the weapons   
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The revolver was not ordered two months before the rifle was.  Jan 27, 1963 was the date that Oswald filled out the coupon, not the date that he mailed it.
So...he filled out the coupon and let it [apparently] sit around for the 2 months you stated to earlier.
 Who does this?
Not responded to...
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Also note that presumably...Lee goes over to take pictures at General Walker's before any rifle to shoot him with ever arrives.
Why in hell take pictures anyway? What purpose would it serve?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #641 on: February 16, 2020, 03:35:24 PM »
  How wide is the crack between the boxes that you have drawn the arrows to?  Two or three inches?.... 
Barely one inch. The blind could see that.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #642 on: February 16, 2020, 03:36:54 PM »
Because there are 5 screws that attach the stock to the action.

And a dime is too thick to fit into the screw slots....  ( a worn dime might fit)

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #643 on: February 16, 2020, 04:07:34 PM »
I get it. Did they find a dime on LHO and does it affect how he kept his prints off the rifle? Were his gloves found?

He had gloves? Do tell.
Oswald had 3 dimes on him. A dead giveaway in some quarters.

Others will disagree with 'kept his prints off'
Prints are dead easy to at least smear. The term 'unusable' comes to mind.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 04:15:19 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #644 on: February 16, 2020, 04:10:18 PM »
And a dime is too thick to fit into the screw slots....  ( a worn dime might fit)

I guess Cunningham's dimes were 'worn'.
Or the screws were.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 04:23:20 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #645 on: February 16, 2020, 05:10:31 PM »
Sorry ...
http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm
Supposedly information based on and taken from the Report.So...he filled out the coupon and let it [apparently] sit around for the 2 months you stated to earlier.
 Who does this?
Not responded to...

January 28, 1962: LHO orders a .38 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver by mail.

 ??? So, he ordered it and it took a year and two months before Seaport Traders finally got around to shipping it to him?
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 12:31:48 AM by Tim Nickerson »

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #646 on: February 16, 2020, 05:13:53 PM »
Barely one inch. The blind could see that.

Maybe that's your problem. You're blind.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #647 on: February 16, 2020, 05:31:23 PM »
Here's where the rifle was found:

Wrong!....  Are you stupid and illiterate? How wide is the crack between the boxes that you have drawn the arrows to?  Two or three inches?.... How wide is the carcano with the bolt handle sticking out to the right and the scope sticking out to the left ?  (answer:  over 4 inches ) 

3 or 4 inches. It's hard to judge to exactness.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49607/m1/1/

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338775/m1/1/

Zoom in on them both and examine the boxes and the printing and stamps on them. My placement of the rifle is correct. No doubt about it whatsoever.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 05:48:02 PM by Tim Nickerson »

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #648 on: February 16, 2020, 05:37:14 PM »
Because there are 5 screws that attach the stock to the action.

Mr. BALL. I notice you have a screwdriver there. Can you assemble it without the use of a screwdriver?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What can you use?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Any object that would fit the slots on the five screws that retain the stock to the action.
Mr. BALL. Could you do it with a 10-cent piece?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Will you do that--about how long will it take you?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I know I can do it, but I have never been timed as far as using a dime. I have been timed using a screwdriver, which required a little over 2 minutes.
Mr. BALL. 2 minutes with a screwdriver.
Try it with the dime and let's see how long it takes.
Okay. Start now. Six minutes.
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. I think I can improve on that.
Mr. BALL. And the only tool you used was a 10-cent piece?
Mr. CUNNINGHAM. That is correct.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/cunningham1.htm

Six minutes on his first try using a dime. You call that difficult?

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #649 on: February 16, 2020, 06:34:44 PM »
Here's where the rifle was found:

Wrong!....  Are you stupid and illiterate? How wide is the crack between the boxes that you have drawn the arrows to?  Two or three inches?.... How wide is the carcano with the bolt handle sticking out to the right and the scope sticking out to the left ?  (answer:  over 4 inches ) 



Pictures not showing the rifle were taken much later, and the position of the box on the floor may have changed, though I agree with Tim that there is enough gap there. The rifle as it rested in the original gap was captured in two in-situ photographs taken just after the rifle's discovery.

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Can't you understand what Seymour Weitzman and Eugene Boone wrote?.....

Weitzman said that he was working his way west on the south side of the row of boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle at the top of the stairs, and he said he was down on the floor and shining his flashlight beneath the pallet when he spotted the rifle lying on the floor.   And Boone squeezed between the west wall and the row of boxes and removed a box that served as a closure for the top of a crevasse that was formed by the east/ west row of boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle at the top of the stairs.  When Boone removed the box that formed the lid he shined his light down into the dark crevasse and saw a tiny portion of the butt of the rifle that was lying on the floor.

Geeze. Weitzman saw the rifle (I don't think he could see the middle position from his angle) looking through the pallet platform openings and beyond. You're misconstrued this to mean the rifle was underneath the pallet.

 

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