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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #630 on: February 16, 2020, 02:49:03 AM »
You mean the way he disassembled then reassembled the rifle then took 3 hurried shots and managed 2 hits, including a head shot using a wonky scope, then ditched it neatly between some boxes without getting a single print on the rifle? Maybe you should address how Oswald managed that first. Was he a ghost?

Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage. Was that a difficult thing to do? He reassembled it somewhere in the TSBD. Is reassembling a Carcano a difficult task? Have you done it before? Elaborate on what you mean by 'hurried shots". How hurried were they? Was the scope wonky when Oswald used the rifle to shoot Kennedy? How do you know? Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #631 on: February 16, 2020, 03:06:00 AM »
Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage.

There’s no evidence that the C2766 rifle was disassembled and reassembled. Or ever in the Paine’s garage.

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Was that a difficult thing to do?

Without a screwdriver, yes.

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #632 on: February 16, 2020, 03:13:26 AM »
Hi Jack, what ya drinking? Could you break down each of those claims please? He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage. Was that a difficult thing to do? He reassembled it somewhere in the TSBD. Is reassembling a Carcano a difficult task? Have you done it before? Elaborate on what you mean by 'hurried shots". How hurried were they? Was the scope wonky when Oswald used the rifle to shoot Kennedy? How do you know? Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

I'm drinking my usual, JD and H2O. And whatever you are drinking is preventing you from having a clue what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter where or when LHO disassembled/reassembled the rifle, only that you claim he did before taking 3 shots at JFK. And guess what is required for that? Touching the rifle over and over and over again, to the point where it would be really dumb to think that Oswald wouldn't have left a single print somewhere on the many, many places where he handled it during disassembly/reassembly. Personally, I think it's all bullshit and LHO never touched the MC. The evidence, or lack there of, convinced me.

Is it uncommon for identifiable prints to not be found on weapons suspected to have been used in a crime?

Sure, you keep telling yourself that.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #633 on: February 16, 2020, 03:14:07 AM »
You mean the way he disassembled then reassembled the rifle then took 3 hurried shots and managed 2 hits, including a head shot using a wonky scope, then ditched it neatly between some boxes without getting a single print on the rifle? Maybe you should address how Oswald managed that first. Was he a ghost?

disassembled then reassembled the rifle

Life can turn on a dime  ;)
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 03:24:57 AM by Bill Chapman »

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #634 on: February 16, 2020, 03:16:06 AM »


Looking from West to East. Row nearest to stairway at camera-left.
Rifle removed. Tall stacks of pallleted book cartons at camera-right.

The aisle that Lee Oswald allegedly dashed through can be seen at camera left....And the rifle was found on the floor beneath the pallet that is visible at camera right.  Reviiew Seymour Weitzman's affidavit and testimony about shining his flash light beneath that pallet ( which was buried beneath boxes of books at the time that he and Boone discovered the rifle lying on the floor) 

Now how the hell could the skinny 5' 9" Lee Oswald reach across the boxes from the aisle and place the 8 pound rifle down beneath the pallet with the boxes of books stacked in it and then covered the top of the crevasse between the boxes by staking boxes on top of the boxes.   

I'm sure that I've seen those two bottom photos before but I never realized that they were of the location of where the rifle was found. Looking at the one on the left, it's plain to see how foolish Walt's claim is. Of course , it's possible that he's been a frail weakling himself all of his life and can't imagine how a 24 year old guy could have managed to handle an 8 lb rifle the way that Oswald did.


Here's where the rifle was found:


Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #635 on: February 16, 2020, 03:16:45 AM »

Without a screwdriver, yes.

How do you know?

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #636 on: February 16, 2020, 04:07:10 AM »
disassembled then reassembled the rifle

Life can turn on a dime  ;)

I get it. Did they find a dime on LHO and does it affect how he kept his prints off the rifle? Were his gloves found?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #637 on: February 16, 2020, 04:10:59 AM »
How do you know?

Because there are 5 screws that attach the stock to the action.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #638 on: February 16, 2020, 03:09:32 PM »
  He disassembled the rifle in the Paine's garage. 
Prove that this happened....unless you were peeking in the window at the time?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #639 on: February 16, 2020, 03:32:47 PM »

Here's where the rifle was found:



Here's where the rifle was found:

Wrong!....  Are you stupid and illiterate? How wide is the crack between the boxes that you have drawn the arrows to?  Two or three inches?.... How wide is the carcano with the bolt handle sticking out to the right and the scope sticking out to the left ?  (answer:  over 4 inches ) 

Can't you understand what Seymour Weitzman and Eugene Boone wrote?.....

Weitzman said that he was working his way west on the south side of the row of boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle at the top of the stairs, and he said he was down on the floor and shining his flashlight beneath the pallet when he spotted the rifle lying on the floor.   And Boone squeezed between the west wall and the row of boxes and removed a box that served as a closure for the top of a crevasse that was formed by the east/ west row of boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle at the top of the stairs.  When Boone removed the box that formed the lid he shined his light down into the dark crevasse and saw a tiny portion of the butt of the rifle that was lying on the floor. 

 

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