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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #536 on: November 05, 2019, 08:33:44 PM »
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You know, if we had access to the formal forensic fingerprint analysis that matched the palm print to Oswald, at the very least it would tell us if there was a rush to judgement.

If it showed a legit match then we can move on and debate how it got there, etc., but until such time, there is much wheel spinning to be had regarding the palm print.

As far as how the rifle ended up on the 6th floor goes...it was planted, of course, without any of Oswald's prints on it. That tells us that Oswald was a patsy that didn't handle the rifle, just like he claimed. Then everything fits and we can move on from the untenable lone nut narrative, which is the fringe opinion these days.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #537 on: November 05, 2019, 09:27:47 PM »
You know, if we had access to the formal forensic fingerprint analysis that matched the palm print to Oswald, at the very least it would tell us if there was a rush to judgement.

If it showed a legit match then we can move on and debate how it got there, etc., but until such time, there is much wheel spinning to be had regarding the palm print.

As far as how the rifle ended up on the 6th floor goes...it was planted, of course, without any of Oswald's prints on it. That tells us that Oswald was a patsy that didn't handle the rifle, just like he claimed. Then everything fits and we can move on from the untenable lone nut narrative, which is the fringe opinion these days.

Oswald told his interrogators that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the movies.

Officer Marion Baker testified to the WC that Ozzie was wearing different clothes when he saw him at the police station, after his arrest, then when he observed him in the TSBD.

LE said fibers recovered from the rifle tied it to the shirt he was wearing when arrested.

If LE had legible prints on the rifle from LHO they wouldn't have found fibers on it from a shirt he wasn't wearing at 12:30 on 11/22/63. JMHO

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #538 on: November 05, 2019, 09:45:10 PM »
And your support for this claim is a photo which doesn't actually show most of Oswald's elbow?  Good grief.

Mr "Smith"....  Perhaps you should go back and take a refresher class on deception....

I've noticed that whenever a poster posts something vital, ( like the FACT that Lee's arrest shirt does NOT have a hole in the elbow)  You try your best to discredit that fact....   It's very obvious Mr "Smith".......

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #539 on: November 05, 2019, 10:25:33 PM »
Oswald told his interrogators that he went to his room and changed his clothes before going to the movies.

Officer Marion Baker testified to the WC that Ozzie was wearing different clothes when he saw him at the police station, after his arrest, then when he observed him in the TSBD.

LE said fibers recovered from the rifle tied it to the shirt he was wearing when arrested.

If LE had legible prints on the rifle from LHO they wouldn't have found fibers on it from a shirt he wasn't wearing at 12:30 on 11/22/63. JMHO

Walter E. Pots was one of the detectives who searched the room at 1026 N. Beckley..  He compiled a list of articles that he removed from Lee's room.  It is Potts exhibit A in Volume XXI page 140.    Potts describeted the shirt that he found in the drawer where Lee said he had put his dirty clothes.    Of particular interest..... Potts said that the brown shirt had a BUTTON DOWN collar.   And that's exactly what Lee Oswald said ....

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #540 on: November 05, 2019, 10:34:55 PM »
The brown shirt that Oswald took off at his boarding house was one of TWO brown shirts he had. The 2nd one, he put on, having same type of fiber and color as the 1st brown shirt, could NOT have been at TSBD during the shooting, so any test results from that 2nd shirt is of no value to prove the MC rifle was in Oswalds hands being fired at the TSBD on Nov 23/63

and a test of BOTH shirts producing SAME approximate characteristics might be something to consider, in regard that it would show that ANY shirt of same type could have been worn by someone else as much as by Oswald and fiber from THAT shooters shirt would ALSO match Oswalds shirts and could have been left on the MC rifle just the same.

Neither shirt as far as i am aware had any signs of gunpowder residue, neither from MC rifle nor the revolver. The jacket also, no gunpowder residue was stated found. Yet the paraffin test on Oswald's hand was positive.

Nowadays, the perspiration left in the shirts could be analyzed by DNA test and  linked to whomever wore the 1st shirt, but I guess that would not be possible 56 years later to conduct a DNA test of the 2 shirts Oswald supposedly wore that day of Nov 22/63?

« Last Edit: November 05, 2019, 10:54:22 PM by Zeon Mason »

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #541 on: November 05, 2019, 11:42:01 PM »
Mr "Smith"....  Perhaps you should go back and take a refresher class on deception....

I've noticed that whenever a poster posts something vital, ( like the FACT that Lee's arrest shirt does NOT have a hole in the elbow)  You try your best to discredit that fact....   It's very obvious Mr "Smith".......

Some of us just aren't seeing how the two photos by themselves automatically "prove" there was no hole at the elbow.

 

The right shirt sleeve may be twisted such that the area of wear at the elbow is at the inner bent of the elbow rather than the outer bend, or at some other area of the shirt not in camera view.

It may very well be there is no hole in the elbow and that Oswald changed his shirt at the boarding house. It may be otherwise. I suppose it's important as "no hole" means the authorities created one. I wouldn't rule that out for a Southern police force.



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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #542 on: November 06, 2019, 01:39:46 AM »
Some of us just aren't seeing how the two photos by themselves automatically "prove" there was no hole at the elbow.

 

The right shirt sleeve may be twisted such that the area of wear at the elbow is at the inner bent of the elbow rather than the outer bend, or at some other area of the shirt not in camera view.

It may very well be there is no hole in the elbow and that Oswald changed his shirt at the boarding house. It may be otherwise. I suppose it's important as "no hole" means the authorities created one. I wouldn't rule that out for a Southern police force.



It's a piece o cake to measure the distance from the cuff to the hole in the elbow of the shirt, In the evidence photo...and measure the distance from the cuff to Lee's elbow in the photos of Lee being lead through the police station.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #543 on: November 06, 2019, 02:19:31 AM »