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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #408 on: September 07, 2019, 10:36:33 PM »
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About the only thing it was good for was holding the rifle akimbo to the body, under a long trench coat whilst walking around the streets at night...

Would you believe that the strap was designed for Mussolini' s elite black garbed,  body guards ( The Guardie Del Duce) .....The wide patch was attached to the strap to relieve the pressure on the shoulder that a narrow strap inflicted,  while the guards stood long hours of guard duty.

No, I wouldn't believe it..because it's not true. How do I know? Because it was never designed as a sling, Oswald converted it from a USAF officers pistol shoulder holster strap. http://leathergunsling.com/tag/oswald/

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #408 on: September 07, 2019, 10:36:33 PM »


Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #409 on: September 08, 2019, 03:46:30 PM »
Well, this sling attached is just one more item to add to list of things omitted at the CBS shooting trial, that the shooter had to contend with.

Other things include

1. Not having box on window ledge or using box as a rifle rest.
2. Red target on dark blue/black background on a clearly visible track
3. Shooter able to work bolt right up till time to shoot. Actual shooter did NOT do that for at least 5 minutes prior to shooting as Harold Norman beneath the shooter on 5th floor heard no sounds before the shooting began. Bronson film started approx 5 minutes before JFK motorcade arrives, shows box in window, which only the shooter would have placed.
4. No tree obstacle
5. No other boxes stacked to replicate the cramped space of this SN
6. No vertical pipes on the left of the box in the way.
7. Shooter allowed take position in window before target begins down track. Actual shooter had to remain out of sight via Hughes film, and had to move into position, get set up, and then try to acquire moving target, a black solid in front of a dark blue rear portion of trunk of limo, which had reflective glare from sun.
8. shooters used the scope.The scope could not have been in alignment in the elevation due to requirement for shim underneath mount to make that possible.
9. no window frame, and no window at 15.5 inches open.
10. no sling to potentially get hung up on something, like a box corner, or otherwise interfere with shooter holding the stock while firing rifle.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #410 on: September 08, 2019, 04:30:52 PM »
No, I wouldn't believe it..because it's not true. How do I know? Because it was never designed as a sling, Oswald converted it from a USAF officers pistol shoulder holster strap. http://leathergunsling.com/tag/oswald/

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?

 it was never designed as a sling,

 it  ( the strap) was never designed as a sling,

You're right....The strap with the wide leather patch was designed as a way to carry the carcano on the shoulder during parades and guard duty.

The STRAP was never intended to be an aid for steadying the rifle when firing the weapon, like the SLINGS an American rifles.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #411 on: September 08, 2019, 08:58:24 PM »
it was never designed as a sling,

 it  ( the strap) was never designed as a sling,

You're right....The strap with the wide leather patch was designed as a way to carry the carcano on the shoulder during parades and guard duty.

The STRAP was never intended to be an aid for steadying the rifle when firing the weapon, like the SLINGS an American rifles.

I've shown you proof that the strap has absolutely nothing to do with "parades and guard duty" nor was it "designed as a way to carry the Carcano".  I'll repeat one last time; Oswald converted it from a USAF officers pistol shoulder holster strap. http://leathergunsling.com/tag/oswald/

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #412 on: September 08, 2019, 10:10:24 PM »
I've shown you proof that the strap has absolutely nothing to do with "parades and guard duty" nor was it "designed as a way to carry the Carcano".  I'll repeat one last time; Oswald converted it from a USAF officers pistol shoulder holster strap. http://leathergunsling.com/tag/oswald/

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?

"Oswald converted it"

Please provide solid proof that Lee made the carrying strap.... And answer this....Why would Lee copy the straps that were used by Mussolini's body guards???

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #413 on: September 08, 2019, 10:32:52 PM »
I've shown you proof that the strap has absolutely nothing to do with "parades and guard duty" nor was it "designed as a way to carry the Carcano".  I'll repeat one last time; Oswald converted it from a USAF officers pistol shoulder holster strap. http://leathergunsling.com/tag/oswald/

http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/c2766.html

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/detailfs?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #414 on: September 09, 2019, 03:42:23 AM »
"Oswald converted it"
Please provide solid proof that Lee made the carrying strap....
Walt..You didn't see? Oswald got it from eBay. No, actually he kept his leather crafting supplies with his ammo and gun cleaning kit. The cops just never did find them.
 
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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #415 on: September 09, 2019, 03:51:20 AM »
Whew.  Brutal dishonesty.  As I have pointed out, Marina confirmed in response to dozens or more questions that Oswald owned a rifle during the relevant time period.  There is no ambiguity in her testimony regarding this point as dishonestly implied. Mrs. DeM also saw the rifle.  Oswald denied owning any rifle.  That means he lied.  There is no ambiguity about that.  Next issue.  Did Marina confirm that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket.  Again, she answers multiple questions about a "rifle" being in the blanket.  Never once does she express any doubt about the object under discussion being anything other than a rifle.  If there were any doubt about this, when the police came on 11.22 and asked her about Oswald's ownership of a "rifle" she directs them to the blanket and is surprised when the rifle is not found there.  Why would she do that unless she knew a rifle was kept in the blanket?  It makes no sense whatsoever to argue that Marina didn't see the rifle in that blanket or was talking about some other object.   In the one instance that our dishonest contrarians grasp at straws to desperately suggest that she merely saw some object made of wood (like a rifle) they take her comment out of context and without reference to the question being asked or her previous confirmation that the object in the blanket was a rifle. 
I would call all of that a bunch of crap...but that would be insulting to crap.