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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #800 on: March 26, 2020, 10:47:49 PM »

Oh...you mean to tell me Dempsey Jones changed his original testimony? Well that's odd. That only happens when there's something to hide.

 Let's figure out when Yates told this story and when the public first became aware of the curtain rods. Make sense? Because if the public didn't know about the curtain rods, how could Yates?

Here's the other problem. Assuming that the FBI was not lying is a stretch. Is it not? How many people can we find that changed their original testimony in this case? What about the TBD employees? How many of them said something different to the WC? Why do you think that is?

Wasn't there also news of Oswald's wallet found in 2 places? And what's up with the 2 rifles? You see what I'm saying Mr. Scully? We can't solely depend on crooked cop reports, can we?

You seem to take an approach similar to Hoover, the WC, and those in the LBJ admin. who urged the formation of the WC to persuade the American people Oswald acted alone. I never want to embrace a belief contrary to verifiable facts. If the inquiry identifies inconsistancies, I hope I am "on it". I am not resistant to being proven wrong.

I did not begin with a goal to persuade the public Oswald "dunnit" acting alone.

If you have something to present, please do. You assumed Yates made early and unique claims of a hitchhiker mentioning curtains or curtain rods. Where is your evidence?

This was in the news before any documents dated earlier. If you attempt what Doyle and other John Armstrong supporters have, simply disqualifying all FBI records, you have the luxury of presenting any unsupported claim you wish. Your audience using that approach will remain insular.

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November 25, 1963 - FIND OSWALD PALM PRINTS ON ...
https://chicagotribune.newspapers.com/search/#query=window+shades&ymd=1963-11-25

Wife Adds Evidence. Oswald told this neighbor the package contained "window shades." His wife, Marina, later told police Oswald had the rifle at the house on ..
If you have documents displaying dates of November 25 or earlier describing a Yates passenger carrying a package of window treatments, not later
recanted or contradicted, please post them or links to pages displaying them!

How persuasive is a grown man with five kids who is accompanied by his uncle because of the uncle's concern over his nephew's stability?

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
By James W. Douglass


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20023/105-23b.pdf
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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57760&relPageId=146&search=yates_and%20uncle


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Online Gerry Down

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #801 on: April 01, 2020, 02:37:49 AM »
Ralph Yates is probably the best evidence that Frazier was right about the length of the package (that it was 27 inches) Oswald had on the morning of Nov 22nd 1963.

Yates is saying that Oswald brought the rifle in well before Nov 22nd.

Its not an entirely implausible scenario.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #802 on: April 01, 2020, 05:58:30 AM »
Go back a couple of pages....
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57760&search=yates_and+uncle#relPageId=144&tab=page
Ralph changed his story and from then on was all over the place with his report.
Also Mr Yates earlier had described a package that was four feet long.
 
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The assassination of President Kennedy continued to suck innocent people into its whirlwind. One was a man who was kind enough to pick up a hitchhiker in Dallas. He was then caught up in darkness for the rest of his life.

Ralph Leon Yates was a refrigeration mechanic for the Texas Butcher Supply Company in Dallas, making his rounds to meat outlets on Wednesday, November 20, 1963. At 10:30 A.M. Ralph Yates was driving on the R. L. Thornton Expressway. He noticed a man hitchhiking in Oak Cliff near the Beckley Avenue entrance to the expressway. Yates stopped to pick up the man.

When the hitchhiker got into Yates’s pickup truck, he was carrying what Yates described later, in a statement to the FBI, as “a package wrapped in brown wrapping paper about "4 feet to 4˝ feet long.”

Yates told the man he could put the package in the back of the pickup. The man said the package had curtain rods in it, and he would rather carry it with him in the cab of the truck. 
Read the full story------
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Unspeakable/TwoLHOs.html
At 10:30 AM on Wednesday Nov 20...Oswald was working his job at the TSBD. His time card proved it.
The Curtain Rod Story was not invented until the cops created it after the shots were fired.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #803 on: April 01, 2020, 01:19:36 PM »
Ralph Yates is probably the best evidence that Frazier was right about the length of the package (that it was 27 inches) Oswald had on the morning of Nov 22nd 1963.

Yates is saying that Oswald brought the rifle in well before Nov 22nd.

Its not an entirely implausible scenario.

Its not an entirely implausible scenario.

Actually, it is an entirely implausible scenario because there is no evidence whatsoever that Oswald kept a rifle at the roominghouse. Earlene Roberts, who cleaned his room, stated that she had not even seen a revolver there, let alone a rifle. With so many people living there and having only a tiny room, how in the world would he have been able to bring in and hide a rifle without anybody seeing it.

Also, Oswald could not have known Kennedy would come to Dallas until perhaps some two days prior to his arrival. He went to Irving on Thursday evening and didn't return to his roominghouse until Friday afternoon. This means that, in theory, Oswald could have brought in a rifle to the TSBD on Wednesday or Thursday, but that would bring with it the risk of early discovery regardless of where he would have hidden the weapon.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #804 on: April 01, 2020, 03:53:56 PM »
Its not an entirely implausible scenario.

Actually, it is an entirely implausible scenario because there is no evidence whatsoever that Oswald kept a rifle at the roominghouse. Earlene Roberts, who cleaned his room, stated that she had not even seen a revolver there, let alone a rifle. With so many people living there and having only a tiny room, how in the world would he have been able to bring in and hide a rifle without anybody seeing it.

Also, Oswald could not have known Kennedy would come to Dallas until perhaps some two days prior to his arrival. He went to Irving on Thursday evening and didn't return to his roominghouse until Friday afternoon. This means that, in theory, Oswald could have brought in a rifle to the TSBD on Wednesday or Thursday, but that would bring with it the risk of early discovery regardless of where he would have hidden the weapon.

Thanks for rebutting the silly tale that Yates created.....  Why some folks believe this kind of nonsense is a mystery to me.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #805 on: April 13, 2020, 11:41:07 AM »
The Curtain Rod Story was not invented until the cops created it after the shots were fired.

Actually Buell Frazier was the one who told the cops about the curtain rods. And i dont think you can seriously fit Frazier in to any conspiracy. No known connection between the two prior to October.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #806 on: April 19, 2020, 08:06:35 AM »
Okay. So did you read the story provided here in full? I just did. And here's the facts. Ralph Yates told a co worker about the incident that day. And he told the FBI about it 3 days after assassination. THREE DAYS! Now you claim he was just some crazy man that made it up. Right?

So according to YOU, and YOUR research, Ralph Yates was just some crazy man who made up this wild story about picking up a guy that looked exactly like Oswald,  right next to his boarding home. And his phony story was this fake person happened to be carrying a paper bag. And this fake man claimed the paper bag had curtain rods in it. And then he dropped the fake man in front of the depository.

Not a single member of the public knew about the paper bag curtain rod story that also came from a fellow employee of Oswald. So we have a crazy man who just made up a story that would be exactly similar to someone else, is that it? So not only was Ralph Yates crazy, but he was psychic as well. Right? Because his co-worker wasn't crazy. Why would his co-work lie to the FBI about Yates telling him that story 2 days before the assassination? What purpose would his co-worker have to lie about something that serious? DOES THAT REALLY MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

You can post all the crap you want about his mental state, but what you can't do is erase the facts. And because you can't explain them, you rather just dismiss them. LOL What are the odds that YATES could have made up a story like that? Were not talking about just making up something that didn't happen. Because supposedly 2 days later, that's exactly what happened. And there's no way YATES could have heard about it, because nobody but the police knew that.

And YOUR claim is... he was just crazy! Well okay... then you have to admit that he was also psychic. Otherwise, to ignore all that, means you're just as crazy as he was. Sorry, but for anyone to try that hard to ignore facts doesn't make sense. It sounds like you're more worried about seeming right.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #807 on: April 19, 2020, 01:52:50 PM »
Okay. So did you read the story provided here in full? I just did. And here's the facts. Ralph Yates told a co worker about the incident that day. And he told the FBI about it 3 days after assassination. THREE DAYS! Now you claim he was just some crazy man that made it up. Right?

So according to YOU, and YOUR research, Ralph Yates was just some crazy man who made up this wild story about picking up a guy that looked exactly like Oswald,  right next to his boarding home. And his phony story was this fake person happened to be carrying a paper bag. And this fake man claimed the paper bag had curtain rods in it. And then he dropped the fake man in front of the depository.

I'm not claiming Yates was fake. I think he was being honest about what he thought he saw.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #808 on: April 19, 2020, 03:27:43 PM »
I'm not claiming Yates was fake. I think he was being honest about what he thought he saw.

Yes, your right, ......I know a person who has alzheimers , and they make up stories and actually believe the story happened.

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #809 on: April 20, 2020, 03:17:39 AM »
Yes, your right, ......I know a person who has alzheimers , and they make up stories and actually believe the story happened.

Maybe Oswald forgot that he just brought in the rifle that morning, to you know, assassinate the President. He was probably just tired and forgot to tell Fritz during questioning.

 

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