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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2019, 06:04:10 PM »

"The evidence against Oswald is always deemed suspect for some unspecified reason"

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The defendant was denied legal representation, was murdered (lynched) while in police custody and the charges against

him (a prosecutor's pre-trial brief) were rubber stamped by the WC as the facts of the case.

It was the equivalent of a Soviet 'show trial' except Ozzie was killed before hand rather than immediately after.

Take it up with Jack Ruby.  The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him or how it can all be dismissed as suspect without someone lying or faking the evidence.  If someone says they found Oswald's prints on the rifle, how can that not be the case without some lie or fakery?  Either his prints are on the rifle or they are not.  If they are not, then the person who says they found them is lying.  To suggest otherwise is to defy logic and simply be a dishonest contrarian.

Offline Michael Clark

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2019, 06:38:11 PM »
Take it up with Jack Ruby.


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Jack Ruby does not post on this forum.



 The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him

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Well, it kind of does, since he never had a chance to defend himself. His defense may have been that he didn稚 bring the gun to work; that the gun was, for 28 hours, identified as a Mauser ..., and things like that.




  Either his prints are on the rifle or they are not.  If they are not, then the person who says they found them is lying.  To suggest otherwise is to defy logic and simply be a dishonest contrarian.

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Someone like the Mayor of Dallas, Earle Cabell, perhaps, who was a CIA agent and brother of Deputy Director of the CIA, Charles Cabell, and whose brother suddenly died 4 months later, might be lying.
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2019, 09:46:26 PM »
Take it up with Jack Ruby.  The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him or how it can all be dismissed as suspect without someone lying or faking the evidence.  If someone says they found Oswald's prints on the rifle, how can that not be the case without some lie or fakery?  Either his prints are on the rifle or they are not.  If they are not, then the person who says they found them is lying.  To suggest otherwise is to defy logic and simply be a dishonest contrarian.

"Take it up with Jack Ruby."

LHO was in DPD custody and they were responsible for his safety. Who let Ruby into the heavily guarded basement?

"The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him"

Sure it does. If Ozzie had lived and was able to procure legal representation, which he most certainly would have, the pretrial evidence that is now in the WCR would have been vetted in preliminary hearings, witness cross examinations and expert witnesses for the defense. Exculpatory evidence that was ignored and/or suppressed would have been brought to light.

"If someone says they found Oswald's prints on the rifle, how can that not be the case without some lie or fakery?"

That's why there are trials. The veracity of the evidence is subject to scrutiny by a variety of different means. That didn't happen in this case.
History has shown that Wade's DPD was quite capable of manufacturing evidence against defendants when they thought it was needed to get a conviction.
Even easier when you have a lawyerless dead man already convicted in the media.

Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2019, 11:56:59 PM »
That's why there are trials. The veracity of the evidence is subject to scrutiny by a variety of different means. That didn't happen in this case.

I hope you're not thinking a trial would have turned out like the fantasy put forth by Walt Brown in "The People vs. Lee Harvey Oswald." Where the prosecutor seems to offer up nothing while the defense attorney scores point after uncontested point as if by magic. Or the 2013 two-day mock trial, largely an exercise for law students.

A trial would probably be more like the 1986 Bugliosi-Spence professional effort where a legitimate experienced prosecutor went toe-to-toe with a legitimate experienced defense attorney in a courtroom setting presided over by a real-life judge.

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History has shown that Wade's DPD was quite capable of manufacturing evidence against defendants when they thought it was needed to get a conviction.
Even easier when you have a lawyerless dead man already convicted in the media.

Just that Oswald--in the hundreds of books and now thousands of websites--has received the greatest criminal defense of an individual in history. It even led to an House Select Committee in the late-70s, the most famous dramatic blockbuster movie ("JFK") concerning the subject and the Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2019, 03:42:08 PM »
I hope you're not thinking a trial would have turned out like the fantasy put forth by Walt Brown in "The People vs. Lee Harvey Oswald." Where the prosecutor seems to offer up nothing while the defense attorney scores point after uncontested point as if by magic. Or the 2013 two-day mock trial, largely an exercise for law students.

A trial would probably be more like the 1986 Bugliosi-Spence professional effort where a legitimate experienced prosecutor went toe-to-toe with a legitimate experienced defense attorney in a courtroom setting presided over by a real-life judge.

Just that Oswald--in the hundreds of books and now thousands of websites--has received the greatest criminal defense of an individual in history. It even led to an House Select Committee in the late-70s, the most famous dramatic blockbuster movie ("JFK") concerning the subject and the Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

"Just that Oswald--in the hundreds of books and now thousands of websites--has received the greatest criminal defense of an individual in history."

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2019, 06:20:54 PM »
Either Oswald or someone knew Oswald owned a rifle and that he worked "in that building".

Harry Holmes told J.Edgar Hoover...     You figger it out.

Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2019, 02:48:40 AM »
Take it up with Jack Ruby.  The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him or how it can all be dismissed as suspect without someone lying or faking the evidence.  If someone says they found Oswald's prints on the rifle, how can that not be the case without some lie or fakery?  Either his prints are on the rifle or they are not.  If they are not, then the person who says they found them is lying.  To suggest otherwise is to defy logic and simply be a dishonest contrarian.

The fact that Oswald was killed has no bearing whatsoever on the evidence against him

Oh yes it did. He never got an opportunity to tell his side of the story.

If someone says they found Oswald's prints on the rifle, how can that not be the case without some lie or fakery?

You don't believe that prosecutors and law enforcement officers ever tamper with evidence to get a conviction, right?

Either his prints are on the rifle or they are not.

The FBI, who examined the rifle within 24 hours after the murder, said they could not find prints. Doesn't that mean there were no prints on  the rifle?

Offline Colin Crow

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2019, 08:44:10 AM »
Harry Holmes told J.Edgar Hoover...     You figger it out.

Who did George DeM tell after the April visit?

Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2019, 03:36:51 PM »
"Just that Oswald--in the hundreds of books and now thousands of websites--has received the greatest criminal defense of an individual in history."

 LOL

Opinion polls reflect how persuasive the Oswald defenders/conspiracy kooks (assisted by Stone's overwhelming Hollywood version) are.

Spence tried the sentimental-humanizing appeal in 1986 to little avail. CTs similarly argue that Oswald was a simple family man innocently manipulated and set-up. Having to "prove" things through time-travel doesn't sit well with judges.

Offline Mike Orr

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Re: CT's, how did Oswald's rifle end up on the 6th floor?
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2019, 07:40:14 PM »
Oswald did not have a rifle on the 6th floor . The rifle that was found had no prints on it until low and behold , prints were found , and they happen to match Oswald . The owner of the funeral home said he had a heck of a time getting the ink off of LHO !

 

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