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Offline Barry Pollard

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« Reply #160 on: June 16, 2019, 03:11:10 AM »
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3)  Since big, tall Gloria Calvery is none of those women, taking into consideration not only her physiology but the statements she and her three colleagues made to the FBI, it's reasonable to assume that she's the big, tall black-blouse and black-headscarf-wearing gal in Zapruder (and on the TSBD steps about 25 seconds after the assassination in Couch-Darnell), instead.

Which has a bearing on the all-important Prayer Person issue, as well as on the post-assassination movements of Bill Shelley, Billy Lovelady, Vicki Adams, and, ultimately, Lee Harvey Oswald.

Sorry then, how does the Calvary find effect out understanding of PM in your opinion?

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« Reply #161 on: June 16, 2019, 03:35:48 AM »
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Sorry then, how does the Calvary find effect our understanding of PM in your opinion?

Barry,

Standing where she was on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, big, tall, black-blouse and black-headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery had a excellent view of the fatal head shot.

Buell Wesley Frazier said that when a crying girl (Calvery) "came by" the steps and announced that JFK had been shot, he and a "Sarah" who was standing near him at the time turned towards each other in astonishment and spoke with each other for a few seconds.

When we compare the orientations of Frazier and Prayer Person in Wiegman, and compare them again about 20 seconds later in Couch-Darnell (in which Calvery can be seen on one of the lower steps talking with Billy Lovelady or... gasp ... Joe Molina), we can see that they (Frazier and Prayer Person) have turned towards each other at some point during the gap between the two films, as though they're speaking with each other about what they've just heard Gloria Calvery bellow out to Lovelady (or Molina), below.

Also, Chris Davidson's image-enhancement work suggests that Prayer Person was either Mary Tyler Moore or Sarah Stanton.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #162 on: June 16, 2019, 09:01:26 AM »
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Barry,

Standing where she was on the north side of Elm Street during the motorcade, big, tall, black-blouse and black-headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery had a excellent view of the fatal head shot.

Buell Wesley Frazier said that when a crying girl (Calvery) "came by" the steps and announced that JFK had been shot, he and a "Sarah" who was standing near him at the time turned towards each other in astonishment and spoke with each other for a few seconds.

When we compare the orientations of Frazier and Prayer Person in Wiegman, and compare them again about 20 seconds later in Couch-Darnell (in which Calvery can be seen on one of the lower steps talking with Billy Lovelady or... gasp ... Joe Molina), we can see that they (Frazier and Prayer Person) have turned towards each other at some point during the gap between the two films, as though they're speaking with each other about what they've just heard Gloria Calvery bellow out to Lovelady (or Molina), below.

Also, Chris Davidson's image-enhancement work suggests that Prayer Person was either Mary Tyler Moore or Sarah Stanton.

-- MWT  ;)

Okay, you too huh?  Xxxx me...

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« Reply #163 on: June 16, 2019, 12:05:24 PM »
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Okay, you too huh?  Xxxx me...


I think it is a mistake to seriously respond to Barry Thomas...I don't think he is sincerely seeking the information he asks for and is playing games...

It's not like I haven't spent a year detailing the significance of Calvery's location in the Prayer Woman thread in great detail...Once you locate Calvery on the steps then you have to calibrate her to Frazier's locating of Stanton via Calvery's arrival at the steps...Since Darnell obviously shows the exact moment following Calvery's arrival at the steps that means Darnell shows the exact time period when Frazier was staring at Sarah...Frazier is focused on and facing Prayer Man for the entire length of the Darnell clip, which means by definition that Prayer Man must be Stanton...

Barry knows this, which is why he's playing dumb and refusing to answer...He's not really interested in the information he seeks in my opinion...

Lovelady is going up the extension with Shelley in Couch/Darnell like all the witnesses described as well as Lovelady himself...Which means the man on the steps is Molina...

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« Reply #164 on: July 16, 2019, 09:16:09 PM »
The pertinent part of the Towner film:


(John Iacoletti thinks they might be men.)
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« Reply #165 on: July 16, 2019, 09:40:06 PM »
Let him run with this. His determined focus influenced me to see something, say something.

I am seeing five, possibly six.... outward appearance, all men.

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FILE - In this Nov. 28, 1967, file photo, the five Rockefeller Brothers pose for photos in New York as they gather to receive gold medals from the National Institute of social sciences. From left are: David Rockefeller, President of the Chase Manhattan Bank; Winthrop Rockefeller, Governor of Arkansas; Frank Pace, President of the NISS; John D. Rockefeller 3rd, Chairman of the Rockefeller Foundation; Nelson Rockefeller, Governor of New York; and Laurence Rockefeller, a conservation adviser to President Johnson. ....
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« Reply #166 on: July 16, 2019, 10:32:14 PM »
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Let him run with this. His determined focus influenced me to see something, say something.

I am seeing five, possibly six.... outward appearance, all men.
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Dear oh dear Scully,

They look like blobs to me.

What evidence do you have that they are men?

Where, after all, are their "Baby Boy Blue" headscarves?

--  MWT   ;)
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« Reply #167 on: July 16, 2019, 10:49:41 PM »
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Dear oh dear Scully,

They look like blobs to me.

What evidence do you have that they are men?

Where, after all, are their "Baby Boy Blue" headscarves?

--  MWT   ;)

You gotta admit, the 5 or 6 are nattily dressed, ala Mr. Charles!:


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« Reply #168 on: July 16, 2019, 11:04:13 PM »
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You gotta admit, the 5 or 6 are nattily dressed, ala Mr. Charles!:



Dear oh dear Scully,

Mr. Charles?

Oh, my goodness, wasn't George DeMohrenschildt somehow associated with him?

You know, Oswald's much older and presumably wealthier friend whom CI's Clare Edward Petty concluded, based on some decoded WW II Venona intercepts, had been a long-term "KGB" "illegal" since 1938, or so?

Hmm

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #169 on: July 16, 2019, 11:58:20 PM »
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Let him run with this. His determined focus influenced me to see something, say something.

I am seeing five, possibly six.... outward appearance, all men.

Amazing what you can glean from a sharp image rather than just squinting at a blurry image and making assumptions.




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