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« Reply #150 on: June 14, 2019, 08:26:48 PM »
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The TRADE MART, that's what TM means and that's what Wiegman claims happened there, he says Atkins and himself were invited to join Lem Johns on a trip to Parkland after Johns found out that the President was hit.  Johns grabbed a cop car at the TM because that's where his driver went first, same thing happened to Wiegman and Atkins, their driver too went straight to the next designated stop.  It's all in POTP(which was written by Trask, the man who claims Darnell took the Sitzman footage, there's the link, like we need one), the CC1 chapter.
B/W footage taken from inside a closed vehicle shows that very car just at the approach to PH, you may have seen it but not recognised it for what it is, it's from Wiegman, he claims he switched cars at the TM and I believe that footage is his and so confirms it.  If I find it again I'll let you know but would you know Wiegman footage from any other?  Might be yet another sidebar, which unless I've missed something are not against the rules here...

     In "Pictures Of The Pain", Trask quotes Wiegman  as to SA Lem Johns piling into Wiegman's Camera Car #1 as it went down Elm St. Per Wiegman, this would put Wiegman and Johns in the Same Car while they were both Still on Elm St inside Dealey Plaza.
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« Reply #151 on: June 14, 2019, 08:38:15 PM »
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Storing,

What does this have to do with the subject of this thread?

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Thomas...

Do you feel like me that the most pertinent evidence is being diverted by means of an irrelevant side topic?...


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« Reply #152 on: June 14, 2019, 08:41:01 PM »
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Thomas...

Do you feel like me that the most pertinent evidence is being diverted by means of an irrelevant side topic?


I wonder if they even voted in the poll that started this thread.

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« Reply #153 on: June 15, 2019, 07:21:40 AM »
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     In "Pictures Of The Pain", Trask quotes Wiegman  as to SA Lem Johns piling into Wiegman's Camera Car #1 as it went down Elm St. Per Wiegman, this would put Wiegman and Johns in the Same Car while they were both Still on Elm St inside Dealey Plaza.

Only in Trask's head(and in yours, mine and hundreds of others who've read the same thing).  But in the real evidence Johns just isn't there, not in Atkins, in Wiegman or Dillard.

Consider this, if a half decent agent commandeered CC1 on that street and at that time, you think the driver would have been allowed to wait for Atkins and his precious brand new camera?  Nup, IMO they would have been gone and I guess in yours too, since you believe Johns reacted to the sound of gunfire.
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And Atkins did not dive head first back into the car, he had to wait for it to fully stop, that's the one and only reason why CC1 is still on Elm after a full minute, and probably twenty seconds after the last Dillard snap.  Atkins had a very expensive brand new camera(imagine an iphone the size of a briefcase, brand new and 100 times more fragile) and was not going to chance breaking it for anyone, especially on an unscheduled stop where he didn't even realise what had actually happened or even why they stopped.  As seen in Couch and as he hints toward to Trask, Atkins hit the GK completely clueless and after being directly at the intersection during "the third shot".

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« Reply #154 on: June 15, 2019, 07:34:51 AM »
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Yes it those three women again and as you already pointed out that is Darnell chasing them, very nice catch, get with it paisan.

As you can see, I expressed an opinion earlier but it's only votes that count, right.  And perhaps one day when we've all understood the significance of identifying these ladies we might just not vote again.  You wanna keep talking about these little girls?  Go right ahead, who is stopping you? TTFN.

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« Reply #155 on: June 15, 2019, 08:11:38 AM »
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As you can see, I expressed an opinion earlier but it's only votes that count, right.  And perhaps one day when we've all understood the significance of identifying these ladies we might just not vote again.  You wanna keep talking about these little girls?  Go right ahead, who is stopping you? TTFN.

Barry,

The significance of those three women is threefold:

1) In addition to their being filmed up close by Darnell and from a distance by Towner, they were also filmed from behind by Zapruder as they were standing by the Stemmons sign, watching the motorcade.

2)  Contrary to what was once commonly believed, none of those three women are Gloria Calvery. For two reasons: 1) none of them, as we can see in Darnell, look like her, and 2) as can be deduced from the Towner film, none of them ran up to the TSBD steps right after the assassination -- as Calvery did, according to Billy Lovelady and Joe Molina.

3)  Since big, tall Gloria Calvery is none of those women, taking into consideration not only her physiology but the statements she and her three colleagues made to the FBI, it's reasonable to assume that she's the big, tall black-blouse and black-headscarf-wearing gal in Zapruder (and on the TSBD steps about 25 seconds after the assassination in Couch-Darnell), instead.

Which has a bearing on the all-important Prayer Person issue, as well as on the post-assassination movements of Bill Shelley, Billy Lovelady, Vicki Adams, and, ultimately, Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Re: The Three People Walking Across The Pergola Patio
« Reply #156 on: June 15, 2019, 04:58:31 PM »


Those who don't want to admit Prayer Man is Stanton will pretend they don't understand the significance of the topic...

It is generally accepted and established by most credible researchers who want to be taken seriously that the 3 Women spoken of by Karen Westbrook in her 6th Floor Museum interview were not herself, Calvery, and Reed but were instead Sharon Simmons, Gloria Holt, and Stella Mae Jacob...This is proven by the fact the latter threesome were filmed by Towner and Darnell staying together and walking on the Pergola patio and Grassy Knoll...The close-up of the 3 Women that was definitely filmed by Darnell proves beyond a doubt that the 3 Women were Simmons, Holt, & Jacob...This identification is all part of undoing the damage Greg Parker and Sean Murphy caused the legitimate research world with their Tom Sawyer-like contrarian fantasy research posing as serious effort...Evidence hack and charlatan Bart Kamp has taken up this bogus cause and continues the Prayer Man group tradition of ignoring evidence and unnecessarily prolonging the debate by refusing to acknowledge the proof that Prayer Man is Stanton...Stephen Fagin also bears some blame in this because he refuses to publicly correct Westbrook's highly misleading claim...In my opinion Fagin does this because his institution does not want to get too in to the habit of correcting false assassination evidence for obvious reasons...

As Thomas Graves said, once you establish the 3 Women are Simmons, Holt, & Jacob then that forces Tall Woman to be Gloria Calvery...Gloria Calvery has been correctly identified as being on the steps in Darnell through her short-length sweater and plaid skirt...Which in turn forces the competent, responsible researcher to coordinate Calvery's location with Buell Frazier's location of Sarah Stanton in relation to Calvery's arrival at the steps...Once credibly done there can be no doubt that Darnell represents the precise time period Frazier spoke of when Calvery had just finished shouting the president has been shot and Buell said he and Sarah turned to each other and stared at each other for the longest time...Prayer Man turns towards Frazier from Wiegman to Darnell and matches Sarah turning towards Frazier like he described...There's absolutely no doubt that Prayer Man is Stanton, yet we are still arguing this because the Prayer Man majority refuses to admit good evidence and is willing to destroy the credibility of the entire community by not admitting it...Jim DiEugenio is a major culprit in all this because he uses dishonest methods to rally his sycophants behind this dishonest denial...Sandy Larsen deals with this by saying "You and I have too many differences" - but he fails to simply honestly follow-through on his own evidence...People who pretend Davidson hasn't shown a woman's face on Prayer Man are just setting themselves up for discrediting when the original film proves that the woman's face is a firm part of the original Wiegman celluloid (counter to Bary Kamp's lies)...

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« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2019, 11:53:22 PM »
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Only in Trask's head(and in yours, mine and hundreds of others who've read the same thing).  But in the real evidence Johns just isn't there, not in Atkins, in Wiegman or Dillard.

Consider this, if a half decent agent commandeered CC1 on that street and at that time, you think the driver would have been allowed to wait for Atkins and his precious brand new camera?  Nup, IMO they would have been gone and I guess in yours too, since you believe Johns reacted to the sound of gunfire.
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And Atkins did not dive head first back into the car, he had to wait for it to fully stop, that's the one and only reason why CC1 is still on Elm after a full minute, and probably twenty seconds after the last Dillard snap.  Atkins had a very expensive brand new camera(imagine an iphone the size of a briefcase, brand new and 100 times more fragile) and was not going to chance breaking it for anyone, especially on an unscheduled stop where he didn't even realise what had actually happened or even why they stopped.  As seen in Couch and as he hints toward to Trask, Atkins hit the GK completely clueless and after being directly at the intersection during "the third shot".

  You and I differ as to the Reason SA Johns Lied about jumping out of the LBJ SS Car and then running down Elm St. With Wiegman having seen Johns UP at the Top of the Knoll, Johns and the SS knew they had to cook up a story to at least place Johns Outside of the SS Car after the Kill Shot. The SS probably figured they could quibble as to their claim of Johns staying physically on Elm St vs Wiegman's story of running into John's UP at the Top of the Knoll IF these 2 conflicting accounts was Ever raised. Just my opinion, but I believe that SA Johns was Never seated inside the LBJ SS Follow-Up Car. I believe he was assigned a physical position somewhere inside Dealey Plaza that day. The reason the SS did Not want to admit that Johns was positioned inside Dealey Plaza that day is the Real Mystery. The sighting of a SS Agent on foot inside Dealey Plaza immediately after the Kill Shot by both Law Enforcement and general eyewitnesses has always been categorically denied by the SS. Wiegman having encountered SA Johns at the Top of the Knoll corroborates those reported sightings of an SS Agent on foot inside Dealey Plaza.
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« Reply #158 on: June 16, 2019, 01:25:34 AM »

A point of order:

Unless the side conversation about those who left the media cars can be respectfully connected to the on-topic subject of the 3 Women I move that it be moved to another thread...

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« Reply #159 on: June 16, 2019, 01:41:05 AM »
Fair enough
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