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Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2019, 04:53:49 AM »
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Above his shoulder, or above his armpit?

Shoulder. As Dan Rather walked away in the direction of the TSBD: the top of the paper bag (scrunched) could be seen above his right shoulder.

Viewers could see the portion of the bag above Rather's shoulder as our attention was drawn to it by his statement. Buell Frazier was probably not looking closely (directly at Oswald?) and could have missed seeing it. 
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« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2019, 07:35:36 AM »
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And yet another meaningless coincidence that the corner of the bag where the rifle fore-stock would have been, has the most severe wrinkles.



Thanks Jerry,
I don?t doubt the rifle was in that bag. My question was however ...."Were both ends of CE142 folded over and sealed to contain the disassembled carcano? If so does anyone have any pictures of the bag that demonstrate that was the case?

Does anyone think that Oswald would carry a rifle in a bag with an opened end after wrapping?

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« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2019, 05:18:37 PM »
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Thanks Jerry,
I don?t doubt the rifle was in that bag. My question was however ...."Were both ends of CE142 folded over and sealed to contain the disassembled carcano? If so does anyone have any pictures of the bag that demonstrate that was the case?

Does anyone think that Oswald would carry a rifle in a bag with an opened end after wrapping?

Nice graphic Jerry

I have always wondered would the rifle have fit the length of the bag without the rifle being disassembled. The picture on the add and the add itself would have led LHO to believe his rifle was shorter than it really was. He received the rifle in the picture but they ae not 36" carcano's.  A 36" carcano is a Calvary Carcano and has a different appearance.

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Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2019, 05:35:38 PM »
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Thanks Jerry,
I don?t doubt the rifle was in that bag. My question was however ...."Were both ends of CE142 folded over and sealed to contain the disassembled carcano? If so does anyone have any pictures of the bag that demonstrate that was the case?

Does anyone think that Oswald would carry a rifle in a bag with an opened end after wrapping?

The open end appears to have been folded over much like one would fold over the open end of a paper lunch bag.

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Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2019, 09:52:10 PM »
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A too-small blanket-fiber population was found in the gun bag which Stombaugh testified would very likely have been multiplied to a level identifying the Carcano as being in the blanket found in Paine's garage but for the fingerprint dusting in effect brushing away any needed extra fibres. Not-to-mention the blanket was threadbare to begin with, although it did produce evidence of Oswald's 'short & curlies'.
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« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2019, 01:33:15 AM »
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Brilliant "logic"!

You claim that the photo was taken with the boxes in situ. For that claim to be true and of any value you need to presume that the crime scene was not previously contaminated, but you have in fact no way of knowing if anybody had messed with the scene already. In fact, by claiming at the same time that the paper bag had already been removed, you seem to accept and are in fact arguing that somebody did in fact tamper with the scene before the photo was taken, making your initial claim completely invalid.

Why in the world would anybody remove evidence from a crime scene before a picture of that scene was taken? And if the paper bag was indeed removed, who removed it and for what purpose? And how in the world can you be sure that anything in the photo is in fact in situ and authentic, when you already accept that evidence was removed from the scene prior to the picture being taken?

I'm just reportin' the news: The WC claimed the positions were photographed before they were removed.
Point out where I claim the bag had already been removed..
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« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2019, 03:46:14 AM »
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I'm just reportin' the news: The WC claimed the positions were photographed before they were removed.
Point out where I claim the bag had already been removed..

I'm just reportin' the news: The WC claimed the positions were photographed before they were removed.

Which means you were just reporting the "news"

Point out where I claim the bag had already been removed..

So you deny you claimed that? Ok, does that mean that you claim the bag was not yet removed?

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Re: Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2019, 03:52:15 AM »
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@Newbies

A too-small blanket-fiber population was found in the gun bag which Stombaugh testified would very likely have been multiplied to a level identifying the Carcano as being in the blanket found in Paine's garage but for the fingerprint dusting in effect brushing away any needed extra fibres. Not-to-mention the blanket was threadbare to begin with, although it did produce evidence of Oswald's 'short & curlies'.

A too-small blanket-fiber population was found in the gun bag which Stombaugh testified would very likely have been multiplied to a level identifying the Carcano as being in the blanket found in Paine's garage but for the fingerprint dusting in effect brushing away any needed extra fibres.

This would have been pure speculation on the part of Stombaugh if he ever said it, but he didn't.
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« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2019, 02:05:37 PM »
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The open end appears to have been folded over much like one would fold over the open end of a paper lunch bag.

Folded but not sealed? I see wrinkles not much else. Any tape remnants or evidence of taping?

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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2019, 10:06:59 PM »
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Folded but not sealed? I see wrinkles not much else. Any tape remnants or evidence of taping?

The wrinkles are indicative of a type of folding in which one rolls it and crumples it in lieu of neatly folding it. Why do you ask about sealing it with tape? Is that important for some reason?

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