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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2019, 01:52:17 PM »
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Bingo Ray. The FBI expert couldn't say how old the prints were either. LHO worked there so of course he touched boxes.

Poor Oswald was certainly an unlucky guy.  Time and again the evidence points back to him due random bad luck.  Let's see he is the only TSBD employee to leave prints on the boxes.  Others worked there but Oswald's are the only employee prints they find.  What are the odds?  And his prints are on the bag and rifle.  More bad luck.  And he has no credible alibi like almost every other person who worked there.  And he flees the scene.  Gets a pistol.  Happens to cross paths with the murder of a police officer less than an hour later (the only DPD officer killed within a several year period).  He has the same two brands of ammo as Tippit's killer.  He apparently looked just like the real killer.  So much bad luck.

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Offline Gary Craig

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« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2019, 02:58:15 PM »
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If there had been a thousand pictures taken of the bag, it wouldn't make one iota of difference to CTers.  They would then claim it was planted there or that it has no probative value in proving Oswald's guilt ("silly and irrelevant").  Some genius would ask if everyone who carried a long bag to work was a presidential assassin (as though there were no context to this bag).  How do we know this?  Because Oswald's rifle was found and photographed and they still go down that rabbit hole clinging to any straw.  No photo was taken.  Great - let's argue despite the assurance of multiple detectives that it wasn't there.  If a photo had been taken, then it's on to plan B without missing a beat and suggest it was planted, Oswald's prints just happened to be on it because he worked there etc.  A photo has no value when taken.  Only when not taken.  Round and round down the rabbit hole.

"If there had been a thousand pictures taken of the bag, it wouldn't make one iota of difference to CTers.  They would then claim it was planted there or that it has no probative value in proving Oswald's guilt ("silly and irrelevant")."

True. Since the bag in the archives contains zero forensic evidence of ever holding the TSBD Carcano and the 2 people who saw LHO carrying something that morning both describe a bag 27 inches long - too short to have carried the TSBD Carcano - the logical conclusion would be planted evidence.

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« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2019, 03:47:43 PM »
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"If there had been a thousand pictures taken of the bag, it wouldn't make one iota of difference to CTers.  They would then claim it was planted there or that it has no probative value in proving Oswald's guilt ("silly and irrelevant")."

True. Since the bag in the archives contains zero forensic evidence of ever holding the TSBD Carcano and the 2 people who saw LHO carrying something that morning both describe a bag 27 inches long - too short to have carried the TSBD Carcano - the logical conclusion would be planted evidence.

Great.  Then you have proved my point.  And to take this to the logical extreme, if the bag had contained "forensic evidence of ever holding the TSBD Carcano" (whatever that might be) you would claim that was planted as well.  And on and on and on down the yellow brick road.  Any evidence of Oswald's guilt is dismissed as fake.  So there is no evidence of Oswald's guilt.  Catch 22 of CTer logic.   

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2019, 03:55:30 PM »
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Great.  Then you have proved my point.  And to take this to the logical extreme, if the bag had contained "forensic evidence of ever holding the TSBD Carcano" (whatever that might be) you would claim that was planted as well.  And on and on and on down the yellow brick road.  Any evidence of Oswald's guilt is dismissed as fake.  So there is no evidence of Oswald's guilt.  Catch 22 of CTer logic.
The more evidence of Oswald's guilt is, for the conspiracy advocates, more evidence of his innocence. Why? Because it's faked and, thus, evidence of a conspiracy.

When Garrison said that you have to think that "Up is down and down is up" he was revealing how conspiracists look at this event. A thousand pieces of evidence that Oswald shot JFK is, for them, a thousand pieces of evidence that he didn't.


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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2019, 07:27:44 PM »
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In the sniper's nest ....yadda yadda
What blog did that come off of? Why not say "Oswald's sniper nest"? As the words "Oswald's rifle" was stated umpty billions of times and so that made it a fact.
 There was an entire wall of boxes in this picture.... Were fingerprints obtained from all of them? [Would prove the nest builder's presence most accurately]


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« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2019, 10:33:18 PM »
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Caprio,

Had there really been a sniper's nest at that window at 12:30, what kind of evidence of it would you reasonably expect to exist?

A well-exposed 35mm color film taken from that part of the sixth floor at the time, accompanied by notarized statements from the photographer and his or her helpers?

Or ... gasp ... boxes arranged in that configuration with ... gasp ... the sniper's fingerprints on them?

-- MWT  :)

Graves -- learn the evidence. The boxes were NOT in the shape or form that was claimed by the WC when the TSBD was entered by the police. Boxes were moved after the shooting.

Stop being a smart aleck and learn the evidence.

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« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2019, 10:35:21 PM »
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Name the expert and provide a link to that.

Already did countless times, but you LNers whined and had it removed. By the way, when do you cite for any of your claims?

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« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2019, 10:39:48 PM »
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Poor Oswald was certainly an unlucky guy.  Time and again the evidence points back to him due random bad luck.  Let's see he is the only TSBD employee to leave prints on the boxes.  Others worked there but Oswald's are the only employee prints they find.  What are the odds?  And his prints are on the bag and rifle.  More bad luck.  And he has no credible alibi like almost every other person who worked there.  And he flees the scene.  Gets a pistol.  Happens to cross paths with the murder of a police officer less than an hour later (the only DPD officer killed within a several year period).  He has the same two brands of ammo as Tippit's killer.  He apparently looked just like the real killer.  So much bad luck.

You're wrong as usual as NO evidence points to LHO as you falsely claim. That's why this is still be discussed 55 years later. We have no way of knowing if his prints were on anything since the person working with the prints said that he had never seen LHO's hands to know what his prints looked like.

By the way, what paper bag?

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« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2019, 11:31:35 PM »
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You're wrong as usual as NO evidence points to LHO as you falsely claim. That's why this is still be discussed 55 years later. We have no way of knowing if his prints were on anything since the person working with the prints said that he had never seen LHO's hands to know what his prints looked like.

Caprio,

When, for example, considering whether or not to request extradition from another jurisdiction, do police departments have to see a suspect's hands if his or her fingerprints are already on file and available to them?

-- MWT :)

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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2019, 01:21:32 AM »
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Great.  Then you have proved my point.  And to take this to the logical extreme, if the bag had contained "forensic evidence of ever holding the TSBD Carcano" (whatever that might be) you would claim that was planted as well.  And on and on and on down the yellow brick road.  Any evidence of Oswald's guilt is dismissed as fake.  So there is no evidence of Oswald's guilt.  Catch 22 of CTer logic.

"if the bag had contained"

You can "what if" all you want, the WC certainly did, but it won't change these facts.

1) The crime scene insitu photos don't show a home made gun bag in the alleged sniper's nest.

2) The bag in the archives contains zero forensic evidence of the TSBD Carcano ever being in it.

3) The 2 witnesses who saw LHO that morning both described a 27 inch bag. Too small to hold the TSBD Carcano.

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