Rolling Readers & Murdered Leaders

[Colin Crow]

Based on LHO's rifle was found on the 6th floor and how did it get there.

The WC did not appear to decide who was right and who was wrong. They simply took the statements, investigated it, asked some questions and moved on. In the case of BWF, the WC attempted to make his memory of the bag work for the disassembled rifle and it does not. The only description of LHO carrying the rifle that works is LMR's WC statement tying the right hand "palm" print to her description of how he carried it and the sack nearly touching the ground. Estimating distances and lengths is not an exact science.

A 38" bag would require a disassembled carcano but if the bag is longer as stated by Weisberg then the rifle can be fully assembled and carried by the barrel or forearm stock and held under the sights. The top does not have to be secured and the bottom left open.

Harold Weisberg  ------ Coverup.
"Two of those photos, CE1304 and CE142, show the bag lying alongside a tape measure and ruler. The very top of the bag in 1304 is folded down, making a length of 38 inches, which the Report mentions immediately after noting the 34.8 inch length of the disassembled Mannlicher Carcano (R133). Actually, CE142 is more accurate. It shows the bag was really 42 inches long and 9 inches wide. CE1304 was not photographed head-on, but from a slight angle that makes the bag measure only 71/2 inches wide—the difference is only perspective. "

Have you convinced anyone else that CE142 was used to hold an assembled rifle?

[Richard Smith]

Frazier uses the term folded in his 11.22 affidavit:

"Before I got in the car, I glanced in the back seat, and saw a big sack. It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under."

[Colin Crow]

Frazier uses the term folded in his 11.22 affidavit:

"Before I got in the car, I glanced in the back seat, and saw a big sack. It must have been about 2' long, and the top of the sack was sort of folded up, and the rest of the sack had been kind of folded under."

Agreed Richard. Looks like he got a look at both ends. Each had a visible fold, one was a 4” taped folded end. The other had a fold in the opposite direction. Do we see that second fold line in any photo? The back seat was 62” wide. Frazier glanced over his right shoulder and his peripheral vision has to notice an end of the a that extended more than half way across the seat from the right rear door.

[Jack Nessan]

Agreed Richard. Looks like he got a look at both ends. Each had a visible fold, one was a 4” taped folded end. The other had a fold in the opposite direction. Do we see that second fold line in any photo? The back seat was 62” wide. Frazier glanced over his right shoulder and his peripheral vision has to notice an end of the a that extended more than half way across the seat from the right rear door.

It used to be a 3" flap now it is 4" flap? That wouldn't be because of the 39+" vs 38"overall resulting length?

Unfortunately the appearance of the bag nor palm print on the bag does not seem to support Frazier's statement.

It looks like Jerry Organ's excellent sketch seems to negate the whole question anyway and renders it a moot point. Jerry has been able to show how Frazier's odd observation is possible.

[Colin Crow]

It used to be a 3" flap now it is 4" flap? That wouldn't be because of the 39+" vs 38"overall resulting length?

The bag, when opened, contains a section of tape, likely less than an inch wide, that adds to the overall length but doesn’t add to the functional size of the paper flap. It does not span the width of the bag as the corners of the flap were folded inward then the flap sealed with tape.

[Gary Craig]

"Then, in accordance with Mrs. Randle's observations, Special Agent McNeely grasped the top of this sack with his hand, much like a right handed batter would pickup a baseball bat when approaching the plate. When the proper length of the sack was reached according to Mrs. Randle's estimate it was measured and found to be 27 inches long."






"Frazier designated an approximate spot on the back seat he felt the package extended to from the right rear door and measurement by Special Agents Bardwell D. Odum and Gibbon E. McNeely determined that this spot was 27 inches from the inside of the right rear door, indicating that Frazier estimates that as the length of the package."

[John Iacoletti]

Unfortunately the appearance of the bag nor palm print on the bag does not seem to support Frazier's statement.

Why would you assume that CE 142 is the same bag?

It looks like Jerry Organ's excellent sketch seems to negate the whole question anyway and renders it a moot point. Jerry has been able to show how Frazier's odd observation is possible.

Well that and 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee.