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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2019, 08:27:57 PM »
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well IF you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that Oswald was the SE 6th floor window TSBD gunman, and can prove that Dorothy Garner exited NOT immediately following Adams and Styles, so that Oswald could get past the 4th floor unobserved, and if you can explain how a tangential strike on the upper right rear of JFK skull, could fragment a 6.5mm ball nosed MC bullet into about 9 fragments and one fragment caused the exit wound , the v notch above JFKs right eye (per the autopsy photo)

and the 3 shots fired in about 4.8 seconds as per the only visual evidence recorded in the Z film from Z223 and Z313, and that feat can be replicated with an MC rifle by someone who also must have boxes arranged on the window ledge, a window 15.5" opening, a tree in the way, and the shooter not allowed to work the bolt in preparation for 5 minutes, plus must not start in firing position, but must move into position, after a target car starts, and also a total black silouette on a reflective dark blue trunk with sun angle causing glare,

THEN, maybe.. Oswald did it all by himself

However, since none of the above as been really proved well enough to declare such anomaly as insignificant, then it is entirely possible that

1. Oswald was never on the 6th floor at all, during the shooting
2. Oswald may have carried something into the TSBD in a paperbag that did not match what was presented to BW Frazier as the bag, (according to BWF), and that something in the bag has not been determined to be a rifle, therefore could have been something else
3. Oswald may have an alibi via Mrs Robert A. Reid whom could have easily reached the 2nd floor office by 60 sec post shots, if she left as she described "when I saw people BEGINNING to fall" which starts at approx 3 sec post shots as seen in Nix film and Z films. If so, and she has the same fuzzy memory about details as in her WC testimony, she might have met Oswald nearing the rear office door as she went in, and Oswald then exited approx 65 sec post last shot. Thus BEFORE ever being seen by Baker in 2nd floor lunchroom approx. 85 sec post shots


Lets say the WC timeline is correct, for argument sake, and Mr Belins time of 2 minutes was correct for Mrs Reid trek back to the 2nd floor office, and lets just put aside the Dorothy Garner problem as Garner misrepresenting a full 60 sec delay as "following them almost immediately and right behind them", since it would have taken at least 55 second post shots for Oswald to be completely off the 4th floor landing and going down the next flight of stairs, thus out of LOS.

If we can do that, and start with the proposition that Oswald was involved in some way,  then the question "Did Oswald Have Help" is a relevant question


For those of you, who cannot put aside some of the anomalous problems with the WC timeline, such as Dorothy Garner and the Belin memo, then it is probably pointless to discuss the proposition Bill has presented here in this thread. :)

Thanks so much for your always-useful input.

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2019, 08:27:57 PM »

Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2019, 08:29:50 PM »
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Chapman's stuck in the poop again.

Thanks so much for your always-useful input.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2019, 08:38:41 PM »
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Thanks so much for your always useless input. Thumb1:

Thanks so much for your always-useful input. And feel free to offer up your synopsis of the assassination.

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2019, 09:41:17 PM »
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Thanks so much for your always-useful input.

You're welcome....   And here's a bit more advice for you...... When stuck in the poop....Keep your mouth shut.   

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2019, 11:42:41 PM »
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Thanks so much for your always-useful input. And feel free to offer up your synopsis of the assassination.

Thanks so much for your always useless input. Thumb1:

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2019, 12:07:42 AM »
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You're welcome....   And here's a bit more advice for you...... When stuck in the poop....Keep your mouth shut.

Thanks so much for your always-useful input; and let me say that I completely understand if you cannot sum up your always-useful input, as there's just so darned much of it... now isn't there, Walter..

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2019, 12:11:41 AM »
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Thanks so much for your always useless input. Thumb1:

Feel free to offer up your synopsis of the assassination.

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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2019, 12:11:41 AM »

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2019, 04:26:10 PM »
I would like to follow up on my earlier useful content by addressing the question "Did Oswald Have Help" by stating more concisely that IF Oswald was involved or even a shooter, that it is entirely in the realm of reasonable probability that Oswald DID have some help.

Help in the form of:

1. Having the JFK route changed to turn at Dealey Plaza and loop past the TSBD
2. Having no presence of DPD performing security detail of the crowd or on the GK
3. Oswald being given a particular job and access to all floors of TSBD
4. No security of the TSBD, Daltex buildings whatsoever
5. Having very influential people such as George DeM and Paines involved with Oswald, separating Oswald
from his wife and children. and using some psychological methods that may have taken advantage of some
knowledge of a mental disorder Oswald may have had such as Bipolar and Manic Depressive
6. Having not the usual protocal for motorcade, such as secret service riding on the JFK limo, and the JFK limo making
an unusually sharp turn onto Elm st.
7. Jack Ruby and Oswald
8. CIA and Oswalds defector status, part of the CIA defector program?
9. Oswald able to enter the USSR via a certain route of embassy from France to Finland with relative ease.
10. Oswald arriving in USSR coincidental with a U2 American spy plane being shot down.
11. Oswalds assignment to top secret base in Japan, where radio traffic from USSR was being monitored, and Oswald
speaking fluent Russian as early as during his boot camp training in USMC.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2019, 08:21:38 PM »
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I would like to follow up on my earlier useful content by addressing the question "Did Oswald Have Help" by stating more concisely that IF Oswald was involved or even a shooter, that it is entirely in the realm of reasonable probability that Oswald DID have some help.

Help in the form of:

1. Having the JFK route changed to turn at Dealey Plaza and loop past the TSBD
2. Having no presence of DPD performing security detail of the crowd or on the GK
3. Oswald being given a particular job and access to all floors of TSBD
4. No security of the TSBD, Daltex buildings whatsoever
5. Having very influential people such as George DeM and Paines involved with Oswald, separating Oswald
from his wife and children. and using some psychological methods that may have taken advantage of some
knowledge of a mental disorder Oswald may have had such as Bipolar and Manic Depressive
6. Having not the usual protocal for motorcade, such as secret service riding on the JFK limo, and the JFK limo making
an unusually sharp turn onto Elm st.
7. Jack Ruby and Oswald
8. CIA and Oswalds defector status, part of the CIA defector program?
9. Oswald able to enter the USSR via a certain route of embassy from France to Finland with relative ease.
10. Oswald arriving in USSR coincidental with a U2 American spy plane being shot down.
11. Oswalds assignment to top secret base in Japan, where radio traffic from USSR was being monitored, and Oswald
speaking fluent Russian as early as during his boot camp training in USMC.

My topic is 'Oswald had help'
Not 'Did Oswald have help'

But thanks so much for your always-useful input

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Re: Oswald had help
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2019, 08:21:38 PM »

 

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