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Oswald on TV
« on: April 20, 2019, 01:44:20 AM »
Does anyone know when Oswald's picture first appeared on TV on the afternoon of 22 November 1963?

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2019, 02:36:31 AM »
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Does anyone know when Oswald's picture first appeared on TV on the afternoon of 22 November 1963?

This is probably the first?, I don't know what was edited or the timestamp but the footage before and after Oswald's image is describing events in real time so you can get a rough estimate.




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This is probably the first?, I don't know what was edited or the timestamp but the footage before and after Oswald's image is describing events in real time so you can get a rough estimate.




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Thanks John. The reason I am asking is for the timeline project. Those at 1026 N Beckley, Mrs Roberts and Mr and Mrs Johnson, mention that shortly after the DPD arrived Oswald's picture appeared on the TV and they realised OH Lee was him. The police who attended confirmed this in their statements and testimonies. However Mr and Mrs Johnson both indicate the time that this happened as what appears to be way too early. I think the first image of Oswald appearing would be a more reliable timestamp.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2019, 03:42:00 AM »
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Does anyone know when Oswald's picture first appeared on TV on the afternoon of 22 November 1963?

As I recall, and I'll return to confirm it, it was about 3:30 pm CST. Using Det. Potts 3:00 pm est. arrival at 1026 N Beckley and the
brief wait before the first TV images appeared for the Johnsons and Mrs. Roberts to view as Det. Potts anticipated, and DVP's archive as confirmation, there was some agreement on the time fix.

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Thanks John. The reason I am asking is for the timeline project. Those at 1026 N Beckley, Mrs Roberts and Mr and Mrs Johnson, mention that shortly after the DPD arrived Oswald's picture appeared on the TV and they realised OH Lee was him. The police who attended confirmed this in their statements and testimonies. However Mr and Mrs Johnson both indicate the time that this happened as what appears to be way too early. I think the first image of Oswald appearing would be a more reliable timestamp.

In the WFAATV footage they mention that Connally's doctor was going to conduct an interview in about 15 minutes.

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - John Connally Thoracic Surgery
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot wound of the chest with comminuted fracture of the 5th rib.
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same with laceration right middle lobe, hematoma lower lobe of lung.
Operation: Thoracotomy, removal of rib fragment, debridement of wound
Began: 1335 Ended: 1520
Anesthetic: General Began: 1300 Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Robert Shaw, M. D.
Assistants: Drs. Boland and Duke
Scrub Nurse: King/Bukett
Circ. Nurse: Johnson



Btw before someone goes off, Shaw operated on Connally's chest and Shires and Gregory each operated respectively on Connally's thigh and wrist.

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - John Connally Left Thigh Surgery
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot Wound, Right Chest, Right Wrist, Left Thigh
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Exploration and Debridement of Gunshot Wound of Left Thigh. This portion of the operation is involved only with the operation on the left thigh. The chest injury has been dictated by Dr. Shaw, the orthopedic injury to the arm by Dr. Gregory.
Began: 16:00 Ended: 16:20
Anesthetic: General Began: 13:00
Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Shires

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - Governor John Connally Orthopedic Surgery
Date 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Comminuted fracture of the right distal radius, open secondary to gunshot wound.
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Debridement of gunshot wound of right wrist, reduction of fracture of the radius.
Began: 1600 Ended: 1650
Anesthetic: General Began: 1300 Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Charles Gregory
Assistants: Drs. Osborne and Parker
Scrub Nurse: Rutherford
Circ. Nurse: Schroeder
Complications: None
Condition of patient: Fair

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2019, 04:33:01 AM »
This video mentions upcoming Connally statement expected in 15 minutes.
Oswald  image first appears at 3:03:25. If the video is 3 hours, 14 min. of uninterrupted recorded feed
beginning with first live report of JFK shooting, then the first image of Oswald is aired at approx. 3:33 pm, cst.

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 05:16:41 AM »
Many thanks to John and Tom.....your efforts are appreciated gentlemen. So it looks like the time of arrival of the first police at 1026 N Beckley is shortly after 3pm as reported by those that attended. The picture of Oswald shown was taken from his arrival at City Hall just before 2pm.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2019, 08:36:16 AM »
and what is the explanation for Dr. Shaw stating that " the bullet is STILL in the leg and WILL be removed"?


given the magnitude of this particular incident, would ANY doctor make such a proclamation without ACTUALLY having SEEN the bullet in the leg?



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and what is the explanation for Dr. Shaw stating that " the bullet is STILL in the leg and WILL be removed"?


given the magnitude of this particular incident, would ANY doctor make such a proclamation without ACTUALLY having SEEN the bullet in the leg?

How predictable, like clockwork someone makes the above "observation". Shaw was relying on the other doctors who operated specifically on Connally's wrist and thigh. Shaw was focused on Connally's devastating chest wound, and it seems like Shaw wasn't overly concerned with minor flesh wounds which were being well cared for by separate surgeons.

Mr. SPECTER - You have described, in a general way, the chest wound. What other wounds, if any, was Governor Connally suffering from at the time you saw him?
Dr. SHAW - I will describe then the wound of the wrist which was obvious. He had a wound of the lower right forearm that I did not accurately examine because I had already talked to Dr. Gregory while I was scrubbing for the operation, told him that this wound would need his attention as soon as we were able to get the chest in a satisfactory condition. There was also, I was told, I didn't see the wound, on the thigh, I was told that there was a small wound on the thigh which I saw later.


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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2019, 08:51:37 AM »
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In the WFAATV footage they mention that Connally's doctor was going to conduct an interview in about 15 minutes.

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - John Connally Thoracic Surgery
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot wound of the chest with comminuted fracture of the 5th rib.
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same with laceration right middle lobe, hematoma lower lobe of lung.
Operation: Thoracotomy, removal of rib fragment, debridement of wound
Began: 1335 Ended: 1520
Anesthetic: General Began: 1300 Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Robert Shaw, M. D.
Assistants: Drs. Boland and Duke
Scrub Nurse: King/Bukett
Circ. Nurse: Johnson



Btw before someone goes off, Shaw operated on Connally's chest and Shires and Gregory each operated respectively on Connally's thigh and wrist.

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - John Connally Left Thigh Surgery
Date: 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Gunshot Wound, Right Chest, Right Wrist, Left Thigh
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Exploration and Debridement of Gunshot Wound of Left Thigh. This portion of the operation is involved only with the operation on the left thigh. The chest injury has been dictated by Dr. Shaw, the orthopedic injury to the arm by Dr. Gregory.
Began: 16:00 Ended: 16:20
Anesthetic: General Began: 13:00
Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Shires

Parkland Memorial Hospital Operative Record - Governor John Connally Orthopedic Surgery
Date 11-22-63
Pre-Operative Diagnosis: Comminuted fracture of the right distal radius, open secondary to gunshot wound.
Post-Operative Diagnosis: Same
Operation: Debridement of gunshot wound of right wrist, reduction of fracture of the radius.
Began: 1600 Ended: 1650
Anesthetic: General Began: 1300 Anesthesiologist: Giesecke
Surgeon: Dr. Charles Gregory
Assistants: Drs. Osborne and Parker
Scrub Nurse: Rutherford
Circ. Nurse: Schroeder
Complications: None
Condition of patient: Fair

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John, both Senkel and Potts stated they arrived about 3pm. The picture of Oswald appeared some minutes after that. They had looked at the roominghouse register and were waiting when Roberts and Johnson saw Oswald on TV. The  Connolly surgery concluded at 3.20pm. So perhaps a 3.33 timestamp is reasonable.
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