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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2019, 07:13:27 PM »
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That question was preceded by a series of questions about Oswald in a work-related context at the TSBD including when Lovelady saw him there on the day of the assassination.  As a result, he did not take the question literally but within the context that he was being asked [...]

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2019, 09:11:42 PM »
We can't tell that from viewing that Gif.


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« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2019, 09:28:56 PM »
Friends, it has never been satisfactorily explained why Mr Lovelady's right side is dark in the Wiegman frames:





Basic geometry rules out a shadow cast by the west pillar at the front of the entranceway!

Note how the darkness 'follows' Mr Lovelady's right side as he goes from a higher to a lower step.

What on earth are we seeing here??

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Offline Thomas Graves

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« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2019, 09:34:56 PM »
Well guess what Einstein, the ratio is way off. Standardised NTSC output image is 4:3. Whoever captured the video deliberately squashed the footage to make Lovelady appear thicker. Naughty naughty!





Here's a comparison that is centered directly on Lovelady.



JohnM

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Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2019, 09:40:16 PM »
Nope, still doesn't look like him...

LOL

You do realize, don't you, that in this frame his jaw is jutted out because he's in the process of exhaling cigarette smoke?

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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2019, 10:55:54 PM »
Now!

Many people-------------even those with no time for the Oswald-Is-DoorwayMan-In-Altgens idea---------------have commented over the years on how different Mr Lovelady appears between here...



...and here...



They've heard all the arguments about aspect ratio and light conditions, but they still feel something is off. They wonder---------despite themselves!---------Can this really be the same man?

Question #7!

What if they're right to wonder?

What if the reason this man-------



-------looks huskier and, well, different to the Mr Lovelady seen in other images is that he isn't actually Mr Lovelady?

That footage supposedly came from the Martin film, but it wasn't presented until 1966. The FBI received it from Time-Life then. It is better quality than the original Martin film. This man is referred to as "Gorilla Man" and you are right as it looks very different from Lovelady in a number of aspects.
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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2019, 10:42:29 PM »
That footage supposedly came from the Martin film, but it wasn't presented until 1966. The FBI received it from Time-Life then. It is better quality than the original Martin film. This man is referred to as "Gorilla Man" and you are right as it looks very different from Lovelady in a number of aspects.

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2019, 06:58:36 PM »
Friends, it has never been satisfactorily explained why Mr Lovelady's right side is dark in the Wiegman frames:





Basic geometry rules out a shadow cast by the west pillar at the front of the entranceway!

Note how the darkness 'follows' Mr Lovelady's right side as he goes from a higher to a lower step.

What on earth are we seeing here??

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Friends, I find it hard to believe that the FBI misunderstood what Mr Lovelady told them about the short-sleeved shirt with red and white stripes, or that Mr Lovelady misunderstood their instructions to him regarding what to bring to the photograph session:



The point of this session was simple-----------------to lock down the (correct) identification of Mr Lovelady as the man in the doorway in the Altgens photo. How? By showing that he looked just like him!

No way is it an accident that Mr Lovelady poses for the camera with several buttons of his shirt open to reveal a white tshirt below. This is the 'Altgens Look'!

Now!

I think there may be a benign (well, semi-benign!) explanation for the Lovelady shirt fiasco we've been considering...

In the weeks and months following the assassination, there was intense interest in the Altgens photograph. Many people were convinced it showed Mr Oswald.

It didn't! The man in the doorway was Mr Billy Lovelady. But! The FBI had their work cut out in convincing people of this. And convince people of this they must, at all costs...

Now! If we look at the wirephoto that for a long time was the Altgens photo as far as the general public were concerned, we see something interesting.

Let's start with what Mr Walter Cronkite showed the American people that evening:



And!



And!



And!



What do we see here? Not the right question! The right question is: What did people at the time think they saw?

The man in the doorway's unclothed lower left arm.

The Altgens photograph as published by the WC will have done little to dispel this impression:



Theory!

The FBI told Mr Lovelady to bring a short-sleeved shirt to the photograph session, in order that his appearance in those photos would conform to that of the man in the doorway!