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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2019, 09:03:40 PM »
He sees Mr Oswald walk past him...



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We can't tell that from viewing that Gif.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2019, 09:04:16 PM »
So you accept that the FBI accurately reported what he told them about the shirt in February 1964?

Yes I do.

Online Tom Scully

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2019, 09:40:18 PM »
Thank you, Mr Scully (and Mr Crow)!  Thumb1:

I was obviously unaware of this. Is a scanned original document available anywhere?

The first doc. is available at fold3.com . It is a subscription site, height and weight are on back of the form,
my screen shot trigger finger is  barely quick enough to capture the image of the front of the 1942 draft form...
The enlistment form displays only as text on ancestry.com and was captured in a screen shot.

https://www.fold3.com/image/624687289/?xid=991

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2019, 11:58:36 PM »
We can't tell that from viewing that Gif.

Agreed, if Oswald was walking past wouldn't Lovelady be looking up at Oswald's face and tracking Oswald as he walks by?



And even as Oswald is leaving Lovelady is still not looking up at Oswald and just seems to be generally looking at the people walking by.



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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2019, 01:05:37 AM »
Agreed, if Oswald was walking past wouldn't Lovelady be looking up at Oswald's face and tracking Oswald as he walks by?



And even as Oswald is leaving Lovelady is still not looking up at Oswald and just seems to be generally looking at the people walking by.



JohnM

Not sure what we are debating, but in the lower picture you posted Lovelady's head has turned in Oswald's general direction and was not fixed in a fashion of simply gazing "generally at people walking by". His head appears tilted slightly upward and in a way that would enable facial recognition.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2019, 01:48:36 AM »
Not sure what we are debating, but in the lower picture you posted Lovelady's head has turned in Oswald's general direction and was not fixed in a fashion of simply gazing "generally at people walking by". His head appears tilted slightly upward and in a way that would enable facial recognition.

To me in the following video capture, as Oswald leaves the area, Lovelady has either not recognised or has seen and has no further interest in Oswald. Lovelady appears to be looking below the shoulder level of the man highlighted with pink and maybe Lovelady was just checking out who was who by their clothes and badges? If Lovelady was still looking towards Oswald's face/head, Lovelady's head would be at the same angle as Oswald's and would be more tilted up, imo.



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2019, 07:59:53 AM »
We can't tell that from viewing that Gif.

Sure we can.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2019, 08:00:16 AM »

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2019, 08:04:09 AM »
The first doc. is available at fold3.com . It is a subscription site, height and weight are on back of the form,
my screen shot trigger finger is  barely quick enough to capture the image of the front of the 1942 draft form...
The enlistment form displays only as text on ancestry.com and was captured in a screen shot.

https://www.fold3.com/image/624687289/?xid=991


Thank you very much for this, Mr Scully!  Thumb1:

It would be great to see the back of the form, where the key physical details are...

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Mr Billy Lovelady
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2019, 08:21:07 AM »
Friends, thanks to Mr Scully, it looks like the 'Jack Dougherty' rabbit-hole is blocked up!

So this guy in the background is definitely not Mr Dougherty, right?



Is he definitely Mr Lovelady?

 

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