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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2019, 12:04:56 AM »
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Royell,

Wonderful analysis.

Who, then, with something big and white in his right coat pocket do you figure filmed Jacob, Holt and Simmons as they stepped onto the grass from the Pergola Patio (and then as they were walking across the grass in the direction of the TSBD) a "few" minutes after the assassination?

-- MWT   ;)

PS  Something I just thought of:  What did Lummie Lewis do after he spoke with those three gals?

Can you photographically time-stamp his movements?

Is Lummie visible in the Tina Towner clip?

    I do Not know who may have shot that footage based on it Currently being time stamped as happening just a Few minutes after the assassination. Based on the protracted journey Darnell took, and the crowds of people he filmed that were Already milling around Behind the Pergola, in addition to his also filming law enforcement Already being back there, (notably Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig who initially examined the man hole cover area on the South side of Elm), = No Way the time stamping of the footage being "A few minutes" matches up with having been done by Darnell. Sitzman being captured on the footage also would DQ Darnell having filmed her only a Few Minutes after the assassination. 

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2019, 12:09:40 AM »
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    I do Not know who may have shot that footage based on it Currently being time stamped as happening just a Few minutes after the assassination. Based on the protracted journey Darnell took, and the crowds of people he filmed that were Already milling around Behind the Pergola, in addition to his also filming law enforcement Already being back there, (notably Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig who initially examined the man hole cover area on the South side of Elm), = No Way the time stamping of the footage being "A few minutes" matches up with having been done by Darnell. Sitzman being captured on the footage also would DQ Darnell having filmed her only a Few Minutes after the assassination.

No idea, huh?

-- MWT   ;)

PS 

1) Are you absolutely sure that all of your approximations are correct?

2) Do you seriously doubt that those three gals are, from left to right, Jacob, Holt and Simmons?


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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2019, 12:59:36 AM »
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No idea, huh?

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PS 

1) Are you absolutely sure that all of your approximations are correct?

2) Do you seriously doubt that those three gals are, from left to right, Jacob, Holt and Simmons?

    (1) Well, for the moment, let's just focus on Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig. How long after the Kill Shot do You think it would take Craig to: (1) Arrive at the Man Hole Cover area on the (S) side of Elm ST, (2) Examine that Man Hole Cover Area, and (3) cross Elm St and walk back to the railroad car area well behind the Pergola where he is allegedly filmed by Darnell?  That Darnell footage clearly reveals the railroad car area to already be a beehive of activity at that point in time.

    (2) I believe the on-going squabbling regarding the ID of those 3 women is non-productive.

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2019, 01:09:58 AM »
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    (1) Well, for the moment, let's just focus on Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig. How long after the Kill Shot do You think it would take Craig to: (1) Arrive at the Man Hole Cover area on the (S) side of Elm ST, (2) Examine that Man Hole Cover Area, and (3) cross Elm St and walk back to the railroad car area well behind the Pergola where he is allegedly filmed by Darnell?  That Darnell footage clearly reveals the railroad car area to already be a beehive of activity at that point in time.

    (2) I believe the on-going squabbling regarding the ID of those 3 women is non-productive.

Royell,

You don't think the correct identification of Gloria Calvery (i.e., not Westbrook's "Calvert" (sic)) in Zapruder -- and on the TSBD steps in Darnell -- has a bearing on Shelly's and Lovelady's and Vicki Adams' and Lee Harvey Oswald's actions after the assassination, and their respective statements about same?

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2019, 02:10:21 AM »
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Royell,

You don't think the correct identification of Gloria Calvery (i.e., not Westbrook's "Calvert" (sic)) in Zapruder and on the TSBD steps in Darnell has a bearing on Shelly's and Lovelady's and Vicki Adams' and Lee Harvey Oswald's actions after the assassination, and their respective statements about same?

-- MWT   ;)

      Conflicting eyewitness statements can be debated until the cows come home. To this day we remain unsure as to what Darnell actually did and did not film. Correctly time stamping assassination images is invaluable.  For close to 40 years it was falsely believed that the Wiegman Film was shot continuously and the timelines of other assassination images were accordingly assigned. The inaccurate JFK assassination image time lines that were merely rubber stamped by the Old Guard JFK Research Community continue to dog this case.

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2019, 02:20:55 AM »
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      Conflicting eyewitness statements can be debated until the cows come home. To this day we remain unsure as to what Darnell actually did and did not film. Correctly time stamping assassination images is invaluable.  For close to 40 years it was falsely believed that the Wiegman Film was shot continuously and the timelines of other assassination images were accordingly assigned. The inaccurate JFK assassination image time lines that were merely rubber stamped by the Old Guard JFK Research Community continue to dog this case.

Royell,

What makes you think your approximations are particularly accurate?

-- MWT   ;)

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2019, 06:50:55 AM »
For possible "timestamping" purposes, what's the guy in the foreground holding at the end of the Towner GIF?  An umbrella?

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Edit:  Upon further review, it looks as though it could be a scratch in the film.

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2019, 07:57:41 AM »
Royell,

How many minutes between the fatal headshot and Darnell's filming of Sitzman smoking a cigarette and talking to that man do you figure Darnell would have needed to do all of the things he did?

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Re: More Darnell Film of the Three Young Women
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2019, 10:02:59 PM »
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Dear "Battles" Royell,

The more thought I give your "analysis," the more I realize just how full of beans you are.

Given the circumstances, it's easy to understand that James Darnell did not take his own sweet time to go where he went, and to film the things he filmed.

Not only that, but you've probably misidentified Sitzman in at least one image (where is she in the Dorman film, btw?).

You do agree that Darnell filmed Sitzman as she was smoking a cigarette and talking to that man, don't you?

Bottom line: That's James Darnell running across the grass towards Stella Mae Jacob, Gloria Holt, and Sharon Simmons on the Pergola Patio (getting ready to step down onto the grass) in the Towner film, the same three gals who were filmed from behind "by" the Stemmons Sign by Zapruder, and photographed from the front by Betzner in Betzner-3.

Get over it and live to battle another day.

-- MWT  ;)

Mr Graves;

Remembering that the DallasCountySheriff's Office Building being located on Main St at Houston St, places it just across the street from DealeyPlaza, and with DCS Deputies standing on the corner of Main at Houston allowed for quick area access for them to the scene.

I believe that MarilynSitzmanImage is pictured being interviewed
  by DCS Deputy John"Bill"WisemanImage.

And, I believe that StellaJacob, GloriaHolt, and SharronSimmons had been, or were, interviewed by DCS Deputy CL"Lummie"Lewis soon after the shootings of JFK Sr and JBC Jr.

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