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Online Thomas Graves

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This is what a pro-Trump CTer extraordinaire, "Robert Wheeler," posted today at the wonky EF.

Thoughts?
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Here's the story that puts the pieces together. HUGE! Suspected ‘Whistleblower’ Ciaramella May Be CIA Spy Planted in Trump White House Identified as “Charlie” in Strzok and Page Texts!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/huge-suspected-whistleblower-ciaramella-may-be-cia-spy-planted-in-trump-white-house-identified-as-charlie-in-strzok-and-page-texts/

It is interesting but it is still not necessarily the real story. Ciaramella is more than likely the "throw" to keep eyes off the Vindman brothers. (ie. Ciaramella is red meat for the pro-Trump blogosphere looking for someone to hang; they are literally looking.)
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Ciaramella's the "Patsy". This thread started out as a discussion about Mark Zaid, Ciarmella and Vindman's lawyer. It should not be much of a surprise that he is "representing" Ciaramella to run cover for the larger franchise that the Vindman's are closer too.
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That Ciaramella is now the patsy is more of an ad hoc effort compared to some historical incidents where a patsy was used. Since it is "ad hoc", there was not much planning and practice involved. It is failing already.


--  MWT   ;)
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Wheeler is suddenly a researcher? Lure him over here with this bait (Ms. T. Gabbard would suffice  "on the hook," too) and Tommy can give him a piece of his mind, keyboard to keyboard....

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Godfrey Rockefeller, Bell Helicopter and the World Wildlife Fund
By Robert Wheeler, Monday at 09:36 AM in JFK Assassination Debate
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The "turds" intrepid Wheeler seeks/needs to attempt to "reinvent the wheel," are under his nose. Let's see if he ever glances down.... searches the forum he is posting on.

Raised Godfrey helicopter guy's first wife, Constance Hamilton, the one he took with him to Dallas,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_M._Vauclain#Personal_life
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Raised Dr. Werner von Braun

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JFk & Jackie : Were They Who Their Friends Were? Which Friends ...
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“Mary's Mosaic”: A litmus test of JFK research integrity - JFK ...
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Wheeler is suddenly a researcher? Lure him over here with this bait (Ms. T. Gabbard would suffice  "on the hook," too) and Tommy can give him a piece of his mind, keyboard to keyboard....
The "turds" intrepid Wheeler seeks/needs to attempt to "reinvent the wheel," are under his nose. Let's see if he ever glances down.... searches the forum he is posting on.

Raised Godfrey helicopter guy's first wife, Constance Hamilton, the one he took with him to Dallas,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_M._Vauclain#Personal_life
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Raised Dr. Werner von Braun

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Tom,

Point being?

In 5,000 words or less, if possible.

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Tom,

Point being?

In 5,000 words or less, if possible.

--  MWT  ;)

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Considering how you've blanketed this area of this forum, are you the optimum advocate for "brevity"?

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Wheeler is suddenly a researcher? Lure him over here with this bait (Ms. T. Gabbard would suffice  "on the hook," too) and Tommy can give him a piece of his mind, keyboard to keyboard....

It is finally dawning on me, you are Trejo's mentor.... "Hoover directed a cover-up because he wanted to avoid "civil war," "WWIII" with the Russkies," whatever.

This was the beginning of "the end" for me, and I knew it when I read it....(Were you "off" during that period, or were you piloting this "plane crash". Or....are you T.....? LOL...)

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John, you've admitted Terri to your forum and now she's placed her OT accusations in a prominent spot on the internet, and just beloe your name. It is easy to see how Terri benefits, if getting an opportunity to pitch what she has linked to here is actually in her best interests to do, but how do you or the forum membership benefit?

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John Simkin  Posted December 10, 2012
It might seem strange to you but I do not ask the question: "How do I benefit?" when I admit people to the Forum.

....as he sanctimoniously defended introduction of an obvious "shit stain" of his own making....





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Considering how you've blanketed this area of this forum, are you the optimum advocate for "brevity"?

It is finally dawning on me, you are Trejo's mentor.... "Hoover directed a cover-up because he wanted to avoid "civil war," "WWIII" with the Russkies," whatever.

This was the beginning of "the end" for me, and I knew it when I read it....(Were you "off" during that period, or were you piloting this "plane crash". Or....are you T.....? LOL...)

....as he sanctimoniously defended introduction of an obvious "shit stain" of his own making....

Tom,

I'm afraid you're confusing volume with density.

Regarding Trejo, your thought-associative "beautiful mind" is revving way too high, once again.

Iirc, the only thing Word Twister and I had in common back when I, too, was a deluded conspiracy theorist was that David Sanchez Morales was caught on film scratching the back of his neck while Oswald and the three anti-Castro Cubans were being busted for disturbing the peace in New Orleans, or some-such thing.

I don't think he ever did agree with me that Duran's and Azcue's "Blond Oswald in Mexico City" was short, skinny, blond, very thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov.

As I recall, it didn't jibe with his Howard and Hernandez (or was it Seymour?) Escorted Oswald to Mexico City Theory, or with the God-like pronouncements of Bill Simpich, or ... gasp ... some-such thing.

I take my presumed status of "mentor" (to anybody) as a compliment, however, especially on such an arcane subject as The JFK Assassination.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  In my mind there's a big difference between Civil War and Nuclear war with the Ruskies.

I believe CIA and the FBI were worried about the latter, whereasTrejo apparently built his theory around Hoover's alleged fear of the former.

Your conflating the two (and your ascribing guilt to me by associating me with Trejo) in your attempt to put me down or "win" something is, in my humble opinion, reminiscent of the what Fox News and the Saint Petersburg Trolls are notorious for.

PPS  Am I imagining this, or did you, a few years ago, accuse me of having conspired with Trejo to get you kicked out of the EF? 

Wouldn't be surprised if I did, though.

Why?

Because I find you analagous to a "strange attractor" in a "chaos theory" kind of way, and to my way of thinking you exemplify Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theory practitioners ... well ... To The Max.

As Winston Churchill allegedly said regarding British journalist and probable KGB spy, Tom Driberg: 

"He gives sodomy a bad name."

Sorry, Old Chap.

« Last Edit: December 01, 2019, 04:06:18 AM by Thomas Graves »

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Tom,

I'm afraid you're confusing volume with density.

Regarding Trejo, your thought-associative "beautiful mind" is revving way too high, once again.

Iirc, the only thing Word Twister and I had in common back when I, too, was a deluded conspiracy theorist was that David Sanchez Morales was caught on film scratching the back of his neck while Oswald and the three anti-Castro Cubans were being busted for disturbing the peace in New Orleans, or some-such thing.

I don't think he ever did agree with me that Duran's and Azcue's "Blond Oswald in Mexico City" was short, skinny, blond, very thin-faced KGB Colonel Nikolai Leonov.

As I recall, it didn't jibe with his Howard and Hernandez (or was it Seymour?) Escorted Oswald to Mexico City Theory, or with the God-like pronouncements of Bill Simpich, or ... gasp ... some-such thing.

I take my presumed status of "mentor" (to anybody) as a compliment, however, especially on such an arcane subject as The JFK Assassination.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  In my mind there's a big difference between Civil War and Nuclear war with the Ruskies.

I believe CIA and the FBI were worried about the latter, whereasTrejo apparently built his theory around Hoover's alleged fear of the former.

Your conflating the two (and your ascribing guilt to me by associating me with Trejo) in your attempt to put me down or "win" something is, in my humble opinion, reminiscent of the what Fox News and the the Saint Petersburg Trolls are notorious for.

PPS  Am I imagining this, or did you, a few years ago, accuse me of having conspired with Trejo to get you kicked out of the EF? 

Wouldn't be surprised if I did, though.

Why?

Because I find you analagous to a "strange attractor" in a "chaos theory" kind of way, and to my way of thinking you exemplify Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Theory practitioners ... well ... To The Max.

As Winston Churchill allegedly said regarding British journalist and probable KGB spy, Tom Driberg: 

"He gives sodomy a bad name."

Sorry, Old Chap.

Yes, Trejo primarily was about avoiding imaginary civil war, but WWIII was a sort of back up. Earl Warren was allegedly coerced by thar phantom prospect.

I asked if you are actually "T.......". I assumed it was clear I meant Terri, but I guess you picked up on the double meaning I only "got" on a third reading.
You are a prankster and certainly intelligent enough to gin up a character like Terri Williams. If you are not her, whoever she is took Simkin and Trejo back out to sea with her when her tide receded.

You ardently seem convinced Soviets or Castro sponsored assassins took out JFK and suffered no further repercussions and a breath later, tar me as "tin foil hat," garbed? Doyle and Royell are not the only ones in need of a Cyber Monday, self-awareness booster.

I am sticking around because you are capable of informing but more self awareness might help you consider you are chasing away the second of only two, detail oriented posters who have engaged you, much. Say what you will about him, but Michael has become a pillar over at an Ed Forum that has very few, anymore. When was the last time you observed "duh," asking Larry Hancock for his opinion or for information. I have reversed my dismissive opinion of "J.B. Varnell" and it is not because he has changed, it is how his posts contrast the Putin reps who are posting there.

So....teach. I'll take it wherever I see a possibility of getting it. We've been "tit for tat" for a decade. Your insults don't incite me like they did on the Ed Forum.
I cannot envision posting this evenly to Trejo, Simkin, or Roger Stone's coauthor and trust fund bambino, Morrow. So you must be doing something right.

Jeff Carter quoted John Solomon, and Cliff missed an opportunity to point out the douchery it takes to quote that Hannity-Finklestein puppet. What does solomon have on thehill.com publisher, Finklestein, to cause him to protect and sponsor Solomon?

Peter blames a CNN reporter as the driver of any criticism of Solomon, just more evidence of a cult of personality.

The fact is Hannity and Trump and a Trump crony or two, use Solomon as a steno to catapult the agitprop
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/us/politics/john-solomon-ukraine-fox-news-the-hill.html
The man Trump trusts for news on Ukraine.
...His work at The Hill since 2017 has generated the most notice and controversy of his career. His reporting was of considerable value to the outlet’s publisher, James Finkelstein, who has been friends with Mr. Trump for decades and saw Mr. Solomon as a high-profile hire whose frequent Fox News appearances could help generate buzz and traffic for the website....
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Yes, Trejo primarily was about avoiding imaginary civil war, but WWIII was a sort of back up. Earl Warren was allegedly coerced by thar phantom prospect.

I asked if you are actually "T.......". I assumed it was clear I meant Terri, but I guess you picked up on the double meaning I only "got" on a third reading.
You are a prankster and certainly intelligent enough to gin up a character like Terri Williams. If you are not her, whoever she is took Simkin and Trejo back out to sea with her when her tide receded.

You ardently seem convinced Soviets or Castro sponsored assassins took out JFK and suffered no further repercussions and a breath later, tar me as "tin foil hat," garbed? Doyle and Royell are not the only ones in need of a Cyber Monday, self-awareness booster.

I am sticking around because you are capable of informing but more self awareness might help you consider you are chasing away the second of only two, detail oriented posters who have engaged you, much. Say what you will about him, but Michael has become a pillar over at an Ed Forum that has very few, anymore. When was the last time you observed "duh," asking Larry Hancock for his opinion or for information. I have reversed my dismissive opinion of "J.B. Varnell" and it is not because he has changed, it is how his posts contrast the Putin reps who are posting there.

So....teach. I'll take it wherever I see a possibility of getting it. We've been "tit for tat" for a decade. Your insults don't incite me like they did on the Ed Forum.
I cannot envision posting this evenly to Trejo, Simkin, or Roger Stone's coauthor and trust fund bambino, Morrow. So you must be doing something right.

Jeff Carter quoted John Solomon, and Cliff missed an opportunity to point out the douchery it takes to quote that Hannity-Finklestein puppet. What does solomon have on thehill.com publisher, Finklestein, to cause him to protect and sponsor Solomon?

Peter blames a CNN reporter as the driver of any criticism of Solomon, just more evidence of a cult of personality.

The fact is Hannity and Trump and a Trump crony or two, use Solomon as a steno to catapult the agitprop

Tom,

I haven't read your whole post, yet, but I will.

I stopped at the "you ardently seem convinced" bit because, although there's nothing wrong with being ardent, I'm not totally convinced that the KGB and/or the DGI, with or without Oswald, killed JFK.

I thought I had explained in at least one other thread that there are, in my mind, two other distinct possibilities: 1) Oswald, being more truly Marxist than Khrushchev, et al., was fed up with life in both America and the USSR and decided to take matters in his own hands in order to "speed up The Dialectic," and 2) what Ion Pacepa said, i.e., that the KGB had trained and programmed Oswald to kill JFK, and that after Oswald returned to the U.S., Khrushchev got "cold feet" but was unable to call off the hit.

Regardless of which of the above, if any, is the case, I do believe the Ruskies have made a lotta "hay" out of the assassination propaganda-wise, and it, therefore, can be considered instrumental in leading us to where we are today: saddled by-and-large with a body politic that has been inundated during the past sixty years with conspiracy theories about this that and the other thing to such an extent that it doesn't know what to believe about anything, anymore, and is therefore susceptible to electing a useful idiot like Donald J. Trump as our Russia-loving president.

--  MWT  ;)

PS  I think it's interesting to note that one of the things that made CIA officers like (probable mole) Richard Kovich, and gullible (or worse) Leonard McCoy, John L. Hart and Bruce Solie fight so hard to get false defector Yuri Nosenko declared bona fide was the fact that Nosenko was claiming that KGB hadn't even interviewed Oswald in the USSR.

Nosenko's saying that, whether it was true or not, was the ultimate "ice breaker" or "conversation starter" as far as those wishful-thinking useful idiots were concerned, and lent Nosenko's more mundane (but very important, nevertheless) Golitsyn-discrediting lies unwarranted credence, imho, i.e., any credence at all.
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