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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2019, 09:36:02 PM »
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Anyone who ignores the screaming evidence of Oswald being CIA isn't being honest...

Anyone who claims that there is screaming evidence of Oswald being CIA isn't being honest.

Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2019, 10:43:41 PM »
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Psychologists have long since noted a crucial function of CT epistemology ? they focus on errant data: that which isn?t explained by the official model. CTs are scarcely interested in making a cogent theory from the main facts, but rather they try to pull it down by connecting errant, auxiliary data.

Just look around this forum: CTs left and right arguing about the data of this document, what that witness smelled, and how dodgy the autopsy was, all in some desperate attempt to explain everything.

Listen CTs: your theories won?t do it. You can?t explain every fact. No theory of how anything works is going to account for everything, because, simply put, we don?t know everything about the world yet to be able to connect all the dots. Coincidences and anomalies are ok, because they happen in the real world ? sometimes in a dazzlingly large quantity.

I?d you?re goal is to explain everything?s forget about it. Think Thompson once said that when you?ve got a fact so obviously conclusive of your theory ? so obviously sinister ? forget about it, man, because you on your own cannot come up with all the perfectly reasonable, non-sinister explanations for that fact.       

I joined this forum 5 years ago certain of a conspiracy ? 5 gunmen, 8 bullets (with no mystic missiles in sight) ? involving the CIA, mob, and LBJ. I?d read all the CT books ? Mantik, Marrs, Fetzer, McLaren, Menninger, Wrone, Lane, DiEugenio, Groden, you name it ? but after looking beyond the bubble, I began to realise something. Each and every one of these authors conveniently misses out on our favourite sociopath. Oswald?s life is trivialised, ignored or glamorised. We?re never told about Robert Oswald?s conversation with his brother at the DPD; anything shady Oswald did is rationalised as the marching orders of the CIA.

Today, I?m almost a pure LNer. I strongly doubt a conspiracy, and can explain the shooting in three bullets from the SN.         

Please. You were always a LNer. Your avoidance of the actual evidence proves this.

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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2019, 10:43:41 PM »

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2019, 10:50:06 PM »
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An endless tactic to avoid admitting checkmate.

 :D Thanks for the psychoanalysis. So how much more time do you LNers need to checkmate this thing? You do realize that the onus is on you to prove the fringe LNer hypothesis not the other way round? It certainly isn't the default position if a conspiracy can't be proven.

Surely after 56 years the WC and your lot would have come up with at least 1 smoking gun piece of evidence that nails Oswald as a lone nut assassin. So where is that smoking gun? Instead you  seem to think that the kooky CTs must prove a conspiracy or concede to the wacky LNer hypothesis, which is only supported by the WC defenders. It would help if you learn some critical thinking skills or at least learn how to play chess.
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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2019, 11:16:24 PM »
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  Does anyone understand this?

*If your goal is to explain everything, forget about it.* (Was half-awake when typing, so there?s probably more grammatical errors).

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2019, 11:33:24 PM »
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Please. You were always a LNer. Your avoidance of the actual evidence proves this.

CT books aren?t evidence, and you can?t explain events in the world without understanding it with science. The facts are as the are:

? CT books neglect honest coverage of Oswald (or ?official? stories of him), but instead look only and assign unnecessary weight to fringe, unsupported facts and wacko interpretations of his actions. Without a knowledge of both actual testimony and psychiatry, you probably wouldn?t know that people who were close to LN gave descriptions of his personality that literally match psychopathic attributes ? his negative background is consistent with this pattern.

? CT books scarcely even cover the shooting in DP, and do so with little or incomplete knowledge of relevant science. The fact remains that all damage can be explained by three bullets ? many possible variations on what each shot did exist, however, 3 shots from the 6th floor are all you need. Shallow back wounds aren?t even physically possible with any bullet (hence why Wecht doesn?t believe in it).

? Relying on fragile witness memories to build your shoddy case is to be arrogantly ignorant of the fact that scientists have made careers out of studying memory ? from molecules to social influences ? all of whom can testify as to how easy it is to manipulate (it actually evolved to be plastic and malleable).

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2019, 12:25:21 AM »
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Without a knowledge of both actual testimony and psychiatry, you probably wouldn?t know that people who were close to LN gave descriptions of his personality that literally match psychopathic attributes ? his negative background is consistent with this pattern.

Which tells you exactly nothing about who shot JFK.

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? CT books scarcely even cover the shooting in DP, and do so with little or incomplete knowledge of relevant science. The fact remains that all damage can be explained by three bullets ? many possible variations on what each shot did exist, however, 3 shots from the 6th floor are all you need.

Just because something is possible, it doesn?t follow that it?s true.

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Shallow back wounds aren?t even physically possible with any bullet

 BS:

It depends on the bullet, what fired it, and the distance it traveled.

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? Relying on fragile witness memories to build your shoddy case is to be arrogantly ignorant of the fact that scientists have made careers out of studying memory ? from molecules to social influences ? all of whom can testify as to how easy it is to manipulate (it actually evolved to be plastic and malleable).

Exactly. Howard Brennan, anyone? Marina Oswald, anyone?

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2019, 07:30:22 AM »
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Please. You were always a LNer. Your avoidance of the actual evidence proves this.

Give us one bit of your 'actual evidence'

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2019, 10:03:56 AM »
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Which tells you exactly nothing about who shot JFK.

Balance of probability. 

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Just because something is possible, it doesn?t follow that it?s true.

Occam?s Razor.

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BS:

It depends on the bullet, what fired it, and the distance it traveled.

No it doesn?t. I?ve explained this and even done the calculations on this forum multiple times. Low velocity missiles are more likely to traverse due to their limited fragmentation. High velocity missiles are less likely due to increased probability ? a word that CTs need to get used to ? of fragmentation. The physics of a missile which actually reaches Kennedy, makes a normal hole in his back but just stops dead is something that needs explaining ? that is, produce the sums; ante up or STFU.

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Exactly. Howard Brennan, anyone? Marina Oswald, anyone?

Balance of probability. Psychopathic gentleman firing three bullets at the motorcade versus many coordinated gunmen in a cover-up conspiracy. There are many things which will be left unexplainable, however, none of it takes away from the general theory. Nobody can conclusively 100% put LHO in the sixth-floor ? something nobody can do win anyone in almost any crime, so we need a model which best explains the evidence. Tink Thompson and Don Thomas thus far have been the only CTs to even attempt this feat.

The LNer model still holds up. Arguing that there?s no certainty in it doesn?t work. There?s no certainty in anything (hence why the phrase, cogito ergo sum exists). Having been a CT for many years, I known how game is played. You present an alteration be model or try to pick apart the fine details of the other, but never is there any real attempt to demonstrate that no 3 bullet scenario can account for the shooting. 

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2019, 01:52:32 PM »
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Balance of probability. 

?I think the guy was a psychopath, therefore he killed the president? is not a balance of probability.

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Occam?s Razor.

Occam?s razor doesn?t justify the fallacy that if something is possible, therefore it?s true. The SBT is not an explanation requiring the fewest assumptions.

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No it doesn?t. I?ve explained this and even done the calculations on this forum multiple times.

Bull. Your explanations made assumptions like the back wound being caused by a rifle, or coming from the TSBD, or not hitting anything else first. If shallow wounds are impossible, then how the hell did Connally get one in his thigh?

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The LNer model still holds up. Arguing that there?s no certainty in it doesn?t work

The threshold isn?t certainty, it?s reasonable doubt. The SBT + ?I think the guy was a psychopath? does not equal ?Oswald did it?.

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Having been a CT for many years, I known how game is played. You present an alteration be model or try to pick apart the fine details of the other, but never is there any real attempt to demonstrate that no 3 bullet scenario can account for the shooting.

It?s not necessary to demonstrate that no 3 bullet scenario can account for the shooting. But it?s false to suggest that Thompson and Thomas are the only ones to posit more shots. There?s Mars, there?s Groden, there?s the HSCA...

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Re: Your Theories Won?t Do It
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2019, 01:56:08 PM »
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:D Thanks for the psychoanalysis. So how much more time do you LNers need to checkmate this thing? You do realize that the onus is on you to prove the fringe LNer hypothesis not the other way round? It certainly isn't the default position if a conspiracy can't be proven.

Surely after 56 years the WC and your lot would have come up with at least 1 smoking gun piece of evidence that nails Oswald as a lone nut assassin. So where is that smoking gun? Instead you  seem to think that the kooky CTs must prove a conspiracy or concede to the wacky LNer hypothesis, which is only supported by the WC defenders. It would help if you learn some critical thinking skills or at least learn how to play chess.

The "onus" is not on anyone outside a criminal trial context in which the rights of even the guilty are protected.  The fact that CTers want to circle back to this bogus burden of proof claim is just another example of the weakness of their case.  Oswald either pulled the trigger or he did not.  One or the other is a fact and no burden of proof impacts that.  But there literally is a "smoking gun" in this case.  In fact there are two.  Oswald's rifle found at the crime scene along with bullet casings fired from his rifle and the pistol that he had on him when arrested (along with two brands of ammo that match those used at the Tippit scene).  It would be difficult to envision how there could be much more evidence in this case.

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