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Offline Jerry Freeman

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    "Mr. JOHNSON stated that white smoke was observed near the pavilion, but he felt that
     this smoke came from a motorcycle abandoned near the spot by a Dallas policeman."
So that statement therefor cancels out what three other guys ultimately said? I see ::)

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Offline Jerry Organ

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So that statement therefor cancels out what three other guys ultimately said? I see ::)

How do you figure that?

Would you rather no consideration be given other potential sources of "smoke"?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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How do you figure that?
Would you rather no consideration be given other potential sources of "smoke"?
I have considered many aspects and potential sources and you should know this.
Let's consider Mr Johnson's statements for what they offer....
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...He heard sounds that could have been shots. Mr. JOHNSON stated at that time he did not know that it was shots and he could not say how many shots he heard. His attention remained on the vehicle carrying President KENNEDY and he observed this car until it sped away. Mr. JOHNSON stated that white smoke was observed near the pavilion, but he felt that this smoke came from a motorcycle abandoned near the spot by a Dallas policeman.
Often... Report supporters claim that no officer had driven his bike all the way up the knoll to the pavilion like some have mentioned.
 I agree. Certainly no pictures show this. So how could a motorcycle that was not up by the pavilion be emitting smoke next to the pavilion?
Mr Johnson didn't seem to know that there was a shooting at all so he could not state where the shots [that he didn't hear] came from or how many there were.
Mr Johnson didn't seem to know anything and was not called to testify.
Some [as the guys I mentioned above] did see something of interest but they were not called to testify.
Oodles of people [too many to list] who didn't know anything were called to testify however.
So [as I figure] this non-investigation was nothing but a sham ;) 

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Offline Jerry Organ

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I have considered many aspects and potential sources and you should know this.
Let's consider Mr Johnson's statements for what they offer.... Often... Report supporters claim that no officer had driven his bike all the way up the knoll to the pavilion like some have mentioned.
 I agree. Certainly no pictures show this. So how could a motorcycle that was not up by the pavilion be emitting smoke next to the pavilion?

That was never claimed. As I posted: "I believe he's taking about the motorcycle escort for the President, and Hargis leaving his cycle." Nor did I content this was an explanation for what others saw, quoting Johnson: "A lot of them said they saw smoke come out of the grassy knoll, but I didn't. Maybe it's because I wasn't looking that way, and I was looking down in the car."

But who knows? Smoke can travel. Accelerating vehicles may emit more exhaust. Did WWII-era rifle emit noticeable smoke? Why wasn't the "smoke" under the trees, or a portion of it, captured in the Moorman photo, and the Muchmore and Nix films during the assassination? Why did witnesses much nearer the fence corner, like Sitzman and Hudson, report no "smoke" under the trees, gun report from there or smell of gunpowder?

Was a motorcycle literally driven onto the knoll for a brief period, presumably by Hargis?
  • "Mr. JOHNSON stated that white smoke was observed near the pavilion, but he felt
    that this smoke came from a motorcycle abandoned near the spot by a Dallas policeman."
         -- Clemon Johnson Affidavit
  • "SIMMONS said that he recalled that a motorcycle policeman drove up the grassy
    slope toward the Texas School Book Depository Building, jumped off his motorcycle
    and then ran up the hill toward the Memorial Arches. SIMMONS said he thought he
    saw exhaust fumes of smoke near the embankment in front of the Texas School Book
    Depository Building."
         -- James Simmons Affidavit
  • "Mr. WINBORN stated that very shortly thereafter the motorcycle escort dispersed
    and one motorcycle was abandoned by the police officer riding it on the grassy slope
    on the north side of Elm Street and this officer rushed up the steps leading to the
    pavillion and was lost from sight."
         -- Walter Winborn Affidavit
It seems unlikely this could be Officer Haygood, who arrived some while after the last shot, parked his cycle and ran to the juncture of the railbridge and wooden fence.

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Mr Johnson didn't seem to know that there was a shooting at all so he could not state where the shots [that he didn't hear] came from or how many there were.

His affidavit states: "He stated he first realized something was wrong when the motorcycle began moving from their regular groups and at or just before this he heard sounds that could have been shots."

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Mr Johnson didn't seem to know anything and was not called to testify.
Some [as the guys I mentioned above] did see something of interest but they were not called to testify.
Oodles of people [too many to list] who didn't know anything were called to testify however.
So [as I figure] this non-investigation was nothing but a sham ;)

If we're going by the initial report of how Johnson described things ...
  • Walter Winborn: Didn't know where the three shots he heard came from and didn't report seeing "smoke"
  • Thomas Murphy: Heard what sounded like two shots from west of the Depository and didn't report seeing "smoke"
  • James Simmons: Heard three shots from the direction of the Depository and saw "exhaust fumes of smoke".

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If we're going by the initial report of how Johnson described things ...
 James Simmons: Heard three shots from the direction of the Depository and saw "exhaust fumes of smoke". 
 
"If we're going by..."
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Simmons at the Shaw trial----A: Well, after I heard the shots I looked to see if I could see where they were coming from and underneath the trees up on the grassy knoll by the fence I detected what appeared to be a puff of smoke or wisp of smoke.
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Why wasn't the "smoke" under the trees, or a portion of it, captured in the Moorman photo, and the Muchmore and Nix films during the assassination?
You go by whatever you want. You always will anyway.



 

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But who knows? Smoke can travel.
Maybe the smoke in the pictures above came from a hamburger stand?

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Offline Jerry Organ

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"If we're going by..." You go by whatever you want. You always will anyway.


 
Maybe the smoke in the pictures above came from a hamburger stand?

Wow! It's 2020 and along comes someone who still believes that's "smoke" in the Wiegman film. It's like finding a species thought extinct.

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Wow! along comes someone who still believes that's "smoke" in the Wiegman film.
 
 

 
Apparently...smoke is blown so far up your ass that you can't seem to ever get rid of it :D

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Offline Margaret Kelly

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The smoke appears to be moving in that film. Strongest evidence of a gunman there.