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Offline Jerry Organ

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"The 1967 NA Inspection by Humes, Boswell Finck did not note any autopsy image was missing."

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"I thought we had photographed the outside and inside of entry wound in skull."

Finck presumably thought there was a photo showing the entry wound on the bare skull, but it actually showed the entry wound with the scalp in place. Finck himself signed off on this in the 1967 Inspection. And there certainly is a photograph showing the inside of the entry wound on the skull. Finck signed off on that, also.

It's strange that Finck could forget those two things in the course of one month.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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LOL. What shot at Z345ish?

What about CE1407? The Doorman issue? And if they were going to ignore Altgens, why did they call him to testify?

"You think a pre-focus of 15 feet meant that he heard a shot which the limousine was that distance from him? Geeze." Your answer: "That's his testimony"

It is?

    "I was prepared to make a picture at the very instant the President was shot.
     I had refocused to 15 feet because I wanted a good closeup of the President
     and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's why I know that it would be right at 15 feet,
     because I had prefocused in that area, and I had my camera almost to my
     eye when it happened and that's as far as I got with my camera."

He says he focused the camera to 15 feet and didn't take the shot. The President was shot before Altgens raised his camera for such a photo and thus was not in the 15 foot range. Even when the President passed by Altgens and was nearest, Altgens didn't raise his camera, due to shock he said.

He mentions the spray from Kennedy's head wound. At z313, Kennedy is in the middle of the street - 15 ft from the curb- and 30 plus ft down the road from Altgens. If we form a right triangle, with Atlgens atop the short leg of the triangle - 15 ft from the base of that leg, middle of road - where it meets the hypotenuse, and Kennedy at the junction of hypotenuse and the longer base , 30 ft, we then have a right triangle. And its Pythagoras time.
I.e. Altgens is, according to you, 33.5  ft from the final (sic) shot, yet he is sprayed with blood and brain. Humm. Guess there was a twister coming down Elm St.

CE 1407 shows that Altgens was not called till June 64, and only after this was raised in the press May 25th.

Ok. Also Altgens pictures are his; no, they were not edited. That's Lovelady.

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Offline Gary Craig

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"I thought we had photographed the outside and inside of entry wound in skull."

Finck presumably thought there was a photo showing the entry wound on the bare skull, but it actually showed the entry wound with the scalp in place. Finck himself signed off on this in the 1967 Inspection. And there certainly is a photograph showing the inside of the entry wound on the skull. Finck signed off on that, also.

It's strange that Finck could forget those two things in the course of one month.

"It's strange that Finck could forget those two things in the course of one month.

Finck was the wound specialist at the autopsy. Called in for his specific skill set.

He didn't forget.

The photos were taken at the autopsy and Finck noted them missing.

Humes corroborates Finck.

The outside EOP wound was photographed with the scalp refracted.






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There was a coverup?

Go back to sleep Biil.

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Go back to sleep Biil.

Can't wait for your presser
Can you step on it... I won't live another 56 years
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Walter Winborn told researchers that he saw smoke come from the trees when the shots were fired.
Note that Thomas Murphy said the same thing.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=4271#relPageId=41&tab=page
 
That is not what the FBI report stated that they said...
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1417.pdf

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Walter Winborn and Thomas Murphy (both interviewed by Stuart Galanor in May 1966)
In May of 1966 I spoke with railroad workers Thomas Murphy and Walter Winborn, who were standing on the triple overpass at the time of the assassination. I asked Murphy, "Could you tell me where you thought the shots came from?"

Murphy. Yeah, they come from a tree to the left, of my left, which is to the immediate right of the site of the assassination.
Galanor. That would be on that grassy hill up there.
Murphy. Yeah, on the hill up there. There are two or three hackberry and elm trees. And I say it come from there.
Galanor. Well, was there anything that led you to believe that the shots came from there?
Murphy. Yeah, smoke.
Galanor. You saw smoke?
Murphy. Sure did.
Galanor. Could you tell me exactly where you saw the smoke?
Murphy. Yeah, in that tree. (See Cover-up, 59)

Walter Winborn told me he saw "smoke that come out from under the trees on the right hand side of the motorcade." The FBI agents who interviewed Winborn for the Warren Commission, however, did not mention in their report that he had seen smoke on the knoll.

Galanor. Did you tell them about that, that you saw smoke on the grassy knoll?
Winborn. Oh yes. Oh yes.
Galanor. They didn’t include it in their report.
Winborn. Well.
Galanor. Do you have any idea why they didn’t?
Winborn. I don’t have any idea. They are specialists in their field, and I’m just an amateur. (See Cover-up, 60)



James Leon Simmons testimony at Shaw trial:

A: Well, he fell and there was matter and a halo of blood.
Q: Which way did he fall?
A: To his left.
Q: What did the limousine do then?
A: It paused and then accelerated real fast after the motorcycle got out the way.
Q: Did it go under the Triple Overpass?
A: Yes, sir, went directly under us.
Q: It went under you because you were standing on the overpass?
A: Yes, sir.
Q: At the time you saw this red halo, what did that appear to you to be?
A: To the left side of his head.
Q: Can you tell us what direction this went in, this matter?
A: It went over the side of the car.
Q: Which side of the car?
A: The left side.
Q: Now at the time you heard the second and third shot did you notice anything unusual in the area of the grassy knoll?
A: Well, after I heard the shots I looked to see if I could see where they were coming from and underneath the trees up on the grassy knoll by the fence I detected what appeared to be a puff of smoke or wisp of smoke.
Q: From which direction did these noises appear to come from?
A: In front and the left.

Then we have Aynesworth mitigating the smoke, turning it into Harkness' motorcycles exhaust. An physical and logistical impossibility.

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Walter Winborn told researchers that he saw smoke come from the trees when the shots were fired.
Note that Thomas Murphy said the same thing.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=4271#relPageId=41&tab=page
 
That is not what the FBI report stated that they said...
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1417.pdf

Then we have Aynesworth mitigating the smoke, turning it into Harkness' motorcycles exhaust. An physical and logistical impossibility.

A witness saw smoke there and no where else.

Clemon Earl Johnson was on the overpass and he told the FBI on March 19, 1964:

    "Mr. JOHNSON stated that white smoke was observed near the pavilion, but he felt that
     this smoke came from a motorcycle abandoned near the spot by a Dallas policeman."

And Johnson told Snead (No More Silence):

    "I did see smoke, lots of puffs of smoke, but I was of the opinion that the smoke was
     coming out of those motorcycles. The smoke was coming up off the ground out where
     the motorcycles were, not on the grassy knoll. A lot of them said they saw smoke
     come out of the grassy knoll, but I didn't. Maybe it's because I wasn't looking that
     way, and I was looking down in the car."

I believe he's taking about the motorcycle escort for the President, and Hargis leaving his cycle.