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Author Topic: Photographic Proof John Templin's Standing Next To "Glasses Woman" In Betzner-3  (Read 2876 times)

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Yes it does because Blue Scarf Woman and the woman with the brown jacket and white skirt are the same women as seen in Towner...

You haven?t proven that.

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We can see those women are Simmons, Hicks, and Jacob in Darnell...

You haven?t proven that the tiny blurry people in Towner are the people in Zapruder or in Darnell.

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You have nerve pretending you are getting away with ignoring/denying the blue scarf, brown jacket and white skirt seen in Towner...

You have nerve pretending that your unsubstantiated opinions are proof of anything.

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Then why did you post a link to Z-151 to make your case?

Because that's the frame we're all familiar with, compliments of Robin Unger, who tried several years ago to set in stone the identities of the people in it, and got only about half of them right.

You're welcome to muck around and look for Z-frames closer to Z-187 or Z-202.

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Maybe you'll find one in which Templin and Brandt are playing hopscotch or something.

-- MWT   ;)
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Because that's the frame we're all familiar with, compliments of Robin Unger, who tried several years ago to set in stone the identities of the people in it, and got only about half of them right.

Says you.

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Maybe you'll find one in which Templin and Brandt are playing hopscotch or something.

I?m still waiting for a coherent argument that these people are even named Templin and Brandt. Just because there?s a hat?

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Says you.

I?m still waiting for a coherent argument that these people are even named Templin and Brandt. Just because there?s a hat?

Iacoletti,

Do you see two white guys standing together anywhere else on the north side of Elm Street, and at a point that could be even remotely called "halfway," and with the older of the two wearing a "fedora" hat?

-- MWT   ;)

PS  Along the same lines, did you ever find (light-complected) Karan Hicks and Carol Reed "interspersed" with the non-South West Publishing Company employees in the crowd near the mythological "halfway point"? (Unless, of course, you agree with Westbrook that the dark-complected, poofed-up-black-hair gal "next to" the Stemmons Sign is, ".. uhh, probably Carol Reed," in which case you only need to find Hicks!).

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Iacoletti,

You really don?t need to put my name in every post.
 
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Do you see two white guys standing together anywhere else on the north side of Elm Street, and at a point that could be even remotely called "halfway," and with the older of the two wearing a "fedora" hat?

So many assumptions...

How do you know Templin and Brandt were white?
How do you know they were on the north side of Elm street?
How do you know they were at a point that could remotely be called halfway?
How do you know that hat man is older?
How do you know that hat man is wearing a fedora?

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PS  Along the same lines, did you ever find (light-complected) Karan Hicks and Carol Reed "interspersed" with the non-South West Publishing Company employees in the crowd near the mythological "halfway point"? (Unless, of course, you agree with Westbrook that the dark-complected, poofed-up-black-hair gal "next to" the Stemmons Sign is, ".. uhh, probably Carol Reed", in which case you only need to find Hicks.)

From behind and 56 years later?  :D
« Last Edit: April 11, 2019, 02:27:03 PM by John Iacoletti »

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You really don?t need to put my name in every post.
 
So many assumptions...

How do you know Templin and Brandt were white?
How do you know they were on the north side of Elm street?
How do you know they were at a point that could remotely be called halfway?
How do you know that hat man is older?
How do you know that hat man is wearing a fedora?

From behind and 56 years later?  :D

Iacoletti,

If Karen Westbrook, your only source regarding the identification of "Gloria Calvert" (sic) in Zapruder, could spot herself and "Calvert" and "uhh ... probably Carol Reed" 54 years after-the-fact by looking at herself and "Calvert" and probably Carol Reed from behind in one Zapruder frame, then maybe you can spot Hicks by looking at all the photos and films 56 years after-the-fact.

-- MWT   ;)
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A person who is questioning whether or not the two men next to Calvery are Templin and Brandt really should not be allowed to marr the good postings of credible researchers...

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Iacoletti,

You really don't need to put my name in every post.

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If Karen Westbrook, your only source regarding the identification of "Gloria Calvert" (sic) in Zapruder, could spot herself and "Calvert" and "uhh ... probably Carol Reed" 54 years after-the-fact by looking at herself and "Calvert" and probably Carol Reed from behind in one Zapruder frame, then maybe you can spot Hicks by looking at all the photos and films 56 years after-the-fact.

You keep forgetting that Karen Westbrook:

- was there
- was good friends with Gloria Calvery and saw her every day
- also identified herself from the front in Willis 5 (or as you call it "Willis 3")

On the other hand, your only source regarding the identification of Gloria Calvery in Zapruder is:

- There's a blob face in Betzner that you think is either turned, or half washed out, or has "complicated optics" that you think is wearing glasses.
- Craig Calvery (born in 1970) allegedly sent an email to Brian "349 falsehoods" Doyle saying "looks like mom from a height, profile, and glasses standpoint? in something called a "Butler photo".
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You keep forgetting that Karen Westbrook:

- was there
- was good friends with Gloria Calvery and saw her every day
- also identified herself from the front in Willis 5 (or as you call it "Willis 3")


We've already proven the 3 Women Westbrook called herself, Calvery, and an unknown are Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...It is silly to say the un-scarfed head of Holt that shows blonde hair is Calvery after seeing the bright red hair of Calvery in the Christmas photos...Even Fagin challenged Westbrook's obviously errant identification...As did Calvery's own sons who said Tall Woman was their mother...

You're playing naysaying denial games here Iacoletti and your purposes aren't sound and don't deserve equal access with serious posters...

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We've already proven the 3 Women Westbrook called herself, Calvery, and an unknown are Simmons, Holt, and Jacob...

No you haven't.

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It is silly to say the un-scarfed head of Holt that shows blonde hair is Calvery after seeing the bright red hair of Calvery in the Christmas photos...

What "blonde hair"?

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Even Fagin challenged Westbrook's obviously errant identification...

No he didn't. He merely pointed out that Chris (who hadn't been born yet) disagreed.

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As did Calvery's own sons who said Tall Woman was their mother...

You've provided no evidence for this claim.

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