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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2019, 08:24:57 PM »
You are correct that the preponderance of the evidence points to LHO being a patsy. Otherwise, all the evidence fits like a glove (not OJ's). The conspiracy being the concocted story that LHO was a lone nut assassin that just happened to get a job along the motorcade route a couple of weeks before Plan A in Chicago got scrubbed (see Thomas Arthur Vallee). All LNers are CTs (Coincidence Theorists) that scoff at all the evidence that suggests LHO was NOT a lone nut assassin.

The problem with you LNers is that the LN conspiracy hypothesis is untenable any way you slice it. It's the narrative of the conspirators that they want you shills to perpetuate. They rely on your gullibility, lack of critical thinking (or ethics) and lack of legal and logic skills, which is why John I destroys your arguments every time and drives the LNers insane.  ;D


Hi Jack, thanks for the reply. Did you have anything of substance to say?

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2019, 08:28:26 PM »
Thanks Jack.  The list of LN excuses for inconsistent or contradictory evidence is both long and legendary.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,100.0.html

People have been trying to poke holes in the evidence for well over 50-years. I haven't seen any convincing arguments or evidence to the contrary. Especially when considering both sides of the controversy with an open mind.

Online Charles Collins

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2019, 08:31:34 PM »
Charles, I?ve asked this question of the truthers for some 50 years.  They NEVER answer.  They can?t. Not one piece of hard, credible evidence for conspiracy exists.  They don?t care.  They each have their pet theory.  The best arguments are between the kooks themselves. Yet, history should be debated, not argued. They cannot debate it.  They have no evidence.

Agreed. However, this event will likely remain controversial forever.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2019, 08:35:00 PM »
Indeed.  To be an Oswald-did-it-ite is to never be willing to examine the evidence.  The attitude is, "the WC concluded it, I believe it, and that settles it.  Prove me wrong or I win."

The WC concluded that Oswald probably did it
The HSCA concluded that Oswald likely did it.

JAQers/CTers conclude that AnyBodyButOswald did it.
CTers float all sorts of wacko theories and a 'prove-me-wrong' attitude

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2019, 08:43:23 PM »
Agreed. However, this event will likely remain controversial forever.

Especially if these characters breed
Looks like Oswald got his wish to be a somebody and be remembered for 10,000 years

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Online Charles Collins

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2019, 08:47:44 PM »
As far as I can tell, the only direct evidence that Oswald was in the 6th floor TSBD window at 12:30 with a rifle was testimony from Howard Brennan who initially failed to identify him in a police lineup (even after seeing Oswald's picture on television).  A guy who claimed to see a gunman in position for the head shot (which necessarily would be crouching behind boxes) "from the belt up", and who gave a description that was the wrong weight, wrong age, wrong height, and wrong clothing description for it to be Oswald.

Circumstantial evidence

1. Frazier saw Oswald carrying a bag that was too short to have contained the alleged murder weapon, and a bag that Frazier said was not the same bag was allegedly found near the window the shots were allegedly fired from, but doesn't appear in any crime scene photographs.

2. The bag that was allegedly found (and showed no evidence of ever having contained a rifle) supposedly had two prints on it belonging to Oswald, but the testing process destroyed the prints.

3. Backyard photos exist that were allegedly taken 8 months earlier showing Oswald holding a rifle that may or may not be the rifle found on the sixth floor.

4. Marina peered in the end of a rolled up and tied blanket in the Paine's garage about 6 weeks earlier and saw a portion of what she took to be a rifle.

5. Oswald left work after the assassination, which some would like to think was a "consciousness of guilt", even though other employees were either dismissed or told not to re-enter the building.

6. Unscientific and biased handwriting "analysis" of 2 block letters on a photo of a microfilm copy (from microfilm that is now "missing") of a 2-inch order blank concluded that the handwriting on a Klein's order blank ordering a similar but not identical rifle was that of Oswald's.

7. That order blank showed an address of a PO box that Oswald had access to, but there is no record of such a Klein's package being mailed, delivered, picked up, or signed for by Oswald or anyone else.

8. Fibers that may or may not have come from the shirt Oswald was arrested in were found in the butt of the rifle allegedly found on the 6th floor.

9. After the FBI found no identifiable prints on the rifle allegedly found on the 6th floor, an index card showed up a week later with a partial palmprint identified as Oswald's and claimed to have been lifted from the rifle on the night of the assassination, but not turned over to the FBI with the other evidence or even mentioned to the FBI agent who received the evidence.

10. Oswald's prints were found on book boxes on the sixth floor, which is not that remarkable considering his job was getting books out of boxes.


Your turn.  What evidence convinces you?

I have seen all those arguments before. Even together they do not carry enough weight to convince me that the corresponding evidence isn't valid.

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2019, 09:04:24 PM »
Charles, I?ve asked this question of the truthers for some 50 years.  They NEVER answer.  They can?t. Not one piece of hard, credible evidence for conspiracy exists.  They don?t care.  They each have their pet theory.  The best arguments are between the kooks themselves. Yet, history should be debated, not argued. They cannot debate it.  They have no evidence.

I've asked several times for someone to prove that anyone else but the shooter (including their shooter) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

None so far. Too soon I guess.

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2019, 09:34:38 PM »
I have seen all those arguments before. Even together they do not carry enough weight to convince me that the corresponding evidence isn't valid.

So you're not going to bother specifying what evidence convinces you that Oswald did it and why.  That's what I figured.  You're just convinced.

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2019, 09:43:33 PM »
I've asked several times for someone to prove that anyone else but the shooter (including their shooter) knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day.

None so far. Too soon I guess.

...which is equal to the number of times you've justified your position that Oswald probably did it.

On the other hand, there is some evidence of foreknowledge of the assassination via Rose Cherami, Joseph Milteer, Eugene Dinkin, Homer Echevarria, and Richard Case Nagell.

Online Jack Trojan

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Re: The preponderance of the evidence
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2019, 10:26:43 PM »
People have been trying to poke holes in the evidence for well over 50-years. I haven't seen any convincing arguments or evidence to the contrary. Especially when considering both sides of the controversy with an open mind.

Poke holes in what evidence? You seem to think that unless we can prove Oswald's innocence, the default position is that he was a lone nut. Sorry but critical thinking has no default position and the onus is on you to prove he was a lone nut and not a patsy. Instead you LNers resort to pseudo-skepticism, because your so called evidence does not rise to the level of proof and your arguments are not logically sound. More holes than swiss cheese.
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