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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2019, 06:34:26 PM »
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Probably no one saw Booth pull the trigger but there is no doubt that he did.  That is the point.  You can make a logical inference.  Someone hears a gunshot and then sees a gun pointed at the person who has just been shot.  What conclusion would a normal person reach?  Maybe that the shot had just been fired from that weapon.  Not that someone else shot Lincoln or that the object being held wasn't a gun but an object made of "wood."  The issue here is whether there was a gunman in the 6th floor window as confirmed by Brennan and others.  The answer is yes.  Does that alone mean Oswald was the assassin?  Of course not.  But that is just the first link in the chain.  The police find a rifle and bullet casings on the floor/window from which witnesses confirm the shots came from.  The second link.  That rifle belongs to Oswald an employee in the building.  The bullet casings found by the window are from his rifle.  More links.  Oswald has no credible alibi for the moment of the assassination.  He flees the building, has a bizarre political background.  He is implicated in another murder less than an hour later.  He resists arrests, lies to the police about his ownership of the rifle.  Under the totality of circumstances and facts, the case is a slam dunk of guilt.  Any counternarrative premised on Oswald being framed or blundering into guilt by, for example, lying about matters that would have assisted his cause by telling the truth are laughable defense attorney tactics to create false doubt regarding a client they know is stone cold guilty.  It's absurd nonsense.

What happened in Lincolns case can not be compared to the J.F.K one.
Booth ran for the hills, while Oswald went to the cinema after looking at shoes for his daughter, and according to Milteer someone like Oswald would be picked up to throw the public off.
With firecrackers been  let off in the Plazza and a whole host of other decoys set in place, it is quite obvious that Oswald was innocent and did not even hear the shots which were fired from over in the Dal Tex

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2019, 06:48:22 AM »
Probably no one saw Booth pull the trigger but there is no doubt that he did.  That is the point.  You can make a logical inference.  Someone hears a gunshot and then sees a gun pointed at the person who has just been shot.  What conclusion would a normal person reach?  Maybe that the shot had just been fired from that weapon.  Not that someone else shot Lincoln or that the object being held wasn't a gun but an object made of "wood."

Marina?s piece of wood was 6 weeks earlier in a different location, Strawman ?Smith?.

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The issue here is whether there was a gunman in the 6th floor window as confirmed by Brennan and others.  The answer is yes.  Does that alone mean Oswald was the assassin?  Of course not.

Enough said.

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But that is just the first link in the chain.  The police find a rifle and bullet casings on the floor/window from which witnesses confirm the shots came from.

No witness ?confirmed? that shots came from there.

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The second link.  That rifle belongs to Oswald an employee in the building. 

. . . and that?s where your argument falls apart.

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2019, 09:09:40 AM »
12:37 pm Patrolman J. J. Hill:

"Get some men up here to cover this school depository building. It's believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, it would be upper right hand corner, second window from the end."

Anyone hearing this would focus on this window:



Now!

Just before Patrolman Hill's dispatch, at 12:36 pm, we get this from Sergeant D. V. Harkness:

"I have a witness that says that it came from the 5th floor of the Texas Book Depository Store."

At least that's what the transcript says, and the audio does sound rather like 'fifth'.

But!

If you listen to the start of Sergeant Harkness' dispatch-----------
https://soundcloud.com/dallasnews/jfk-dallas-police-dispatch-1
------------he announces his number. One could easily make the mistake of thinking he is saying '250'. But he's not. His number is 260.

By the same token, he may also be saying 'sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository Store' a couple of seconds later.

I wonder whether the following might explain the remarkably long time it took for the 6th floor 'Sniper's Nest' to be found:

The first two dispatches identifying the window lead police to the 7th floor southeast corner, 2nd window from the right.

(Note: many people looking at the building from the outside started counting floors by the presence of windows------i.e. what we know as 'sixth floor' they counted as 'fifth floor'; what we call 'seventh floor' they saw as 'sixth floor'.)

Benign interpretation: the initial dispatches were erroneous or were interpreted erroneously.
Sinister interpretation: the second window on the 7th floor was indeed pulled up as JFK proceeded down Elm, and a rifle was indeed pointed out of it.



Those minded to favor the latter interpretation will note that note that DPD photographed precisely this area, and (as far as the record shows) this area alone, of the seventh floor::



Why was the southeast corner of the seventh floor of interest to them?

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2019, 10:51:13 AM »
C.f. these later images of the 7th fl window in question!












These photos are taken from a range of angles, yet the white spots/streaks don't seem to change position relative to the window.

Are they on the window-pane itself??
« Last Edit: March 30, 2019, 10:59:03 AM by Alan Ford »

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2019, 02:58:39 PM »
What happened in Lincolns case can not be compared to the J.F.K one.
Booth ran for the hills, while Oswald went to the cinema after looking at shoes for his daughter, and according to Milteer someone like Oswald would be picked up to throw the public off.
With firecrackers been  let off in the Plazza and a whole host of other decoys set in place, it is quite obvious that Oswald was innocent and did not even hear the shots which were fired from over in the Dal Tex

Sure it can if you are like some here trying to raise false dobut.  They claim no one saw Oswald pull the trigger.  Therefore it creates doubt he was the assassin.  Using that same mislogic, no one saw Booth pull the trigger.  What did they see and hear?  A gunshot at the moment of the assassination.  They look in that direction and see a person holding a gun or as one nut claims something made of "wood" pointed a Lincoln.  According to CTer logic, no inference can be drawn about what happened.  Maybe, for example, Lincoln committed suicide and Booth had the misfortune to pick up the gun.  He realized it looked bad and panicked.  An innocent man framed. 

Brennan saw Oswald holding a rifle in the same manner as witnesses saw Booth but dishonest CTers argue that doesn't mean Oswald shot JFK.  It's complete nonsense.  A defense attorney tactic in a desperate attempt to raise false doubt.  The only difference between Booth's flight and Oswald's is that Booth had a horse.  They both were making tracks though. If you think Oswald went shoe shopping for his daughter right after the president had been assassinated in front of his building and all chaos was breaking loose and a police officer had pulled a gun on him, then you can't be taken seriously.  And what kind of shoe shopping did he do without entering the store?  LOL.  Ridiculous.  And then he sneaks into the TT without a buying a ticket.  You don't find any of that behavior suspicious.  Just Mr. Magoo out for an afternoon stroll while chaos is all around him. 
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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #45 on: March 30, 2019, 03:31:10 PM »
C.f. these later images of the 7th fl window in question!












These photos are taken from a range of angles, yet the white spots/streaks don't seem to change position relative to the window.

Are they on the window-pane itself??

Yes I believe they are dirty windows.....

Thank you for posting the nice large photos.....I've long been interested in the third floor window where Mr Wilson said that he was standing and watching the activities from his office window.....



In this photo he seems to be sitting and possibly talking to a tall woman who is to his left and close to the right hand side of the window.   

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2019, 03:35:35 PM »
Yes I believe they are dirty windows.....

Thank you for posting the nice large photos.....I've long been interested in the third floor window where Mr Wilson said that he was standing and watching the activities from his office window.....



In this photo he seems to be sitting and possibly talking to a tall woman who is to his left and close to the right hand side of the window.   



After closer scrutiny I believe that Mr Wilson is STANDING but a bit further back in the room than the woman who is closer to the window.

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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
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Re: Howard Brennan showed DPD which window the shots had come from
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2019, 06:50:02 PM »
Watch Brennan point out Norman to Harkness in the Hughes film and witness him hide behind the sergeant immediately afterwards.
Brennan was scared of the men on the fifth by then since he'd learnt of a shooting.  That's where he thought the trouble came from(whatever it was), the fifth and that's what he's probably talking to the traffic cops about when caught by Murray, 2mins after the motorcade and they could care less what he's going on about.
IMHO, fwiw, etc.

Getting caught napping during a major event is worth lying about, all the alternate gets you is "you were there and saw nothing!?!"