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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #70 on: April 19, 2019, 01:30:18 AM »

You are asking a good question Walt, how could Wietzman have seen the rifle laying on the floor when he was looking through/under the palette, if the rifle were in between the 2 STACKED WALLS of boxes in the narrow gap that only Boone could have seen INTO from ABOVE??

They had NOT moved the boxes out of the way to get the photo at this time. The boxes were moved only AFTER Boone shined his light and looked into the narrow gap, right?

I believe that Seymour Weitzman could easily have seen the rifle beneath the pallet ( Weitzman called it a "flat" ) if he was down on the floor as he said he was ....Can you see beneath your livingroom couch to see if your car keys might have fell on the floor and been kicked beneath the couch?   

However, IF the rifle had been jammed between the boxes as depicted in the in situ photo Weitzman would not have been directly east of the rifle ( the aisle was directly east of the pallet) .... Thus he would have been at an angle to the rifle if it had been jammed beteen the boxes and he could not have seen the rifle.

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #71 on: April 19, 2019, 02:56:47 PM »

You are asking a good question Walt, how could Wietzman have seen the rifle laying on the floor when he was looking through/under the palette, if the rifle were in between the 2 STACKED WALLS of boxes in the narrow gap that only Boone could have seen INTO from ABOVE??

They had NOT moved the boxes out of the way to get the photo at this time. The boxes were moved only AFTER Boone shined his light and looked into the narrow gap, right?

 

Notice the notation of " CARTONS HERE NOT SHOWN"   Well there WERE CARTONS there when Weitzman saw the rifle....His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN"   It should be obvious that Weitzman could NOT have seen the rifle if if had been jammed betwen the boxes as it is depicted in the fake in situ photo.     The "cartons not shown" would have been in his line of sight.....

Notice that the camera was pointing directly west when Studebaker snapped DP # 12......  Studebaker was in the same aisle that Seymour Weitzman was in when he spotted the rifle beneath the pallet....  IF the rifle had been jammed between the boxes Weitzman could not have seen the rifle because he would have been at an angle to the rifle ( if it had been there)
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2019, 03:08:13 AM »
 

Notice the notation of " CARTONS HERE NOT SHOWN"   Well there WERE CARTONS there when Weitzman saw the rifle....His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN"   It should be obvious that Weitzman could NOT have seen the rifle if if had been jammed betwen the boxes as it is depicted in the fake in situ photo.     The "cartons not shown" would have been in his line of sight.....

Notice that the camera was pointing directly west when Studebaker snapped DP # 12......  Studebaker was in the same aisle that Seymour Weitzman was in when he spotted the rifle beneath the pallet....  IF the rifle had been jammed between the boxes Weitzman could not have seen the rifle because he would have been at an angle to the rifle ( if it had been there)


 I suspect that the ORIGINAL configuration of the 2nd row of boxes was NOT in disarray as in the photo of the rifle on the floor. That disarray was from UNSTACKING the boxes so as to allow for the photo to be taken.

Therefore, IF the original condition was 2 parallel walls of stacked boxes with only a very narrow gap between, that would explain having gone past these boxes as many as EIGHT times and failed to see the rifle.

Not until Boone actually got a light and shined it in the NARROW gap between those 2 parallel WALLS of stacked boxes, was the rifle actually seen by Boone. Imo, Weitzman is "embellishing" his sighting of the rifle to coincide with Boone spotting it 1st, even though that would be impossible to have seen the rifle from the other side of the pallete of boxes Wietzman was peering under/through.

Imo, the original arrangement of the boxes was 2 rows of parallel  walls of boxes, which is implied by Wietzmans own statement that the rifle was "well hidden" and "covered with boxes".

The configuration of the boxes as presented in the photo of the rifle on the floor is NOT a "well hidden, covered by boxes" condition, imho, and I doubt seriously that if that had been the actual original configuration that they would have missed seeing the rifle EIGHT TIMES passing by it.






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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2019, 06:20:33 PM »

 I suspect that the ORIGINAL configuration of the 2nd row of boxes was NOT in disarray as in the photo of the rifle on the floor. That disarray was from UNSTACKING the boxes so as to allow for the photo to be taken.

Therefore, IF the original condition was 2 parallel walls of stacked boxes with only a very narrow gap between, that would explain having gone past these boxes as many as EIGHT times and failed to see the rifle.

Not until Boone actually got a light and shined it in the NARROW gap between those 2 parallel WALLS of stacked boxes, was the rifle actually seen by Boone. Imo, Weitzman is "embellishing" his sighting of the rifle to coincide with Boone spotting it 1st, even though that would be impossible to have seen the rifle from the other side of the pallete of boxes Wietzman was peering under/through.

Imo, the original arrangement of the boxes was 2 rows of parallel  walls of boxes, which is implied by Wietzmans own statement that the rifle was "well hidden" and "covered with boxes".

The configuration of the boxes as presented in the photo of the rifle on the floor is NOT a "well hidden, covered by boxes" condition, imho, and I doubt seriously that if that had been the actual original configuration that they would have missed seeing the rifle EIGHT TIMES passing by it.

Was this imaginary location that you refer to, 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall?  Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle ....15' 4".....  The "pillar" shown in the drawing was 13 feet from the north wall.... and that means the rifle in the drawing is only about 14 feet from the north wall...Obviously that IS NOT where Studebaker saw the rifle on the floor....
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2019, 11:33:10 PM »
Was this imaginary location that you refer to, 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall?  Detective Studebaker measured the distnce from the north wall to the rifle ....15' 4".....  The "pillar" shown in the drawing was 13 feet from the north wall.... and that means the rifle in the drawing is only about 14 feet from the north wall...Obviously that IS NOT where Studebaker saw the rifle on the floor....

Not sure exactly what you are suggesting Walt. Are you suggesting Studebaker would exaggerate, fabricate,  rearrange, add or subtract, from the original condition of these 2 rows of boxes, much as was done at the SN window, with the paper bag not being photographed?

If so,, IM SHOCKED!!! :D

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2019, 12:28:30 AM »
Not sure exactly what you are suggesting Walt. Are you suggesting Studebaker would exaggerate, fabricate,  rearrange, add or subtract, from the original condition of these 2 rows of boxes, much as was done at the SN window, with the paper bag not being photographed?

If so,, IM SHOCKED!!! :D

Don't lay it all on Studebaker.....Studebaker was Lt John C. Day's assistant.....  But Yes...I am stating that when the "investigators" discovered that there was no way in hell that their patsy the arch vilain Lee Harrrrrrvey Osssssswald BOOOOO hisssss!  could have deposited the carcano beneath that pallet beneath those boxes of books 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall, in the manner that Weitzman and Boone found the rifle.....They then moved the rifle closer to the stairs and between boxes of books so that it then became possible for their patsy to have performed the feat.

They then created the phony in situ photos.......
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2019, 03:07:17 PM »
 

Notice the notation of " CARTONS HERE NOT SHOWN"   Well there WERE CARTONS there when Weitzman saw the rifle....His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN"   It should be obvious that Weitzman could NOT have seen the rifle if if had been jammed betwen the boxes as it is depicted in the fake in situ photo.     The "cartons not shown" would have been in his line of sight.....

Notice that the camera was pointing directly west when Studebaker snapped DP # 12......  Studebaker was in the same aisle that Seymour Weitzman was in when he spotted the rifle beneath the pallet....  IF the rifle had been jammed between the boxes Weitzman could not have seen the rifle because he would have been at an angle to the rifle ( if it had been there)

 

Notice the notation of " CARTONS HERE NOT SHOWN"   Well there WERE CARTONS there when Weitzman saw the rifle....His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN" 

His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN" 

I had hoped that someone would challenge the above.....  Because Weitzman's head would NOT have been in the position of the letter "N" ......  Weitzman would have been a few feet further east .....  But that changes nothing.....The boxes would have been between him and the rifle if the rifle had bee jammed between the boxes as depicted in the phony in situ photos.   Weitzman could not have seen through those boxes..... But he could easily have seen the rifle beneath the wooden pallet...

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2019, 06:31:20 PM »
 

Notice the notation of " CARTONS HERE NOT SHOWN"   Well there WERE CARTONS there when Weitzman saw the rifle....His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN" 

His head would have been in the position of the  Letter "N" at the end of the word "SHOWN" 

I had hoped that someone would challenge the above.....  Because Weitzman's head would NOT have been in the position of the letter "N" ......  Weitzman would have been a few feet further east .....  But that changes nothing.....The boxes would have been between him and the rifle if the rifle had bee jammed between the boxes as depicted in the phony in situ photos.   Weitzman could not have seen through those boxes..... But he could easily have seen the rifle beneath the wooden pallet...

Doesn't ANYBODY see the deception that is made obvious by these pictures?

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