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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2019, 08:27:17 PM »
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You'll need to extract your head to see DPD detective Studebaker's map, but when yo do you'll see that the rifle was found 5 feet from the west wall 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall.   The phony in situ photos show the rifle about 10 feet from that north wall and jammed between boxes .....



Rifle location was about 15 feet from the interior of the north wall (in above photo, look through stairway on left to the brick wall, which is the building's north wall). Rifle was found on the floor below the three opened boxes at right (only two are visible) next to the tall stack on the right edge of the photo.

The roughly ten-foot distance would be from the wooden wall on the right, which is a partition for the ascending stairway to the seventh floor.

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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2019, 11:06:40 PM »
Defected to Russia

Chairman of FPFC

Plotters actually over-sold him as a "commie" IMO

Apparently he was ?Chairman? of one, as he was the only member in New Orleans. You don?t know this?

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2019, 12:11:58 AM »


Rifle location was about 15 feet from the interior of the north wall (in above photo, look through stairway on left to the brick wall, which is the building's north wall). Rifle was found on the floor below the three opened boxes at right (only two are visible) next to the tall stack on the right edge of the photo.

The roughly ten-foot distance would be from the wooden wall on the right, which is a partition for the ascending stairway to the seventh floor.

Thank You, Jerry... I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to  discus this aspect of the case.

Rifle location was about 15 feet from the interior of the north wall 

Detective Robert Studebaker MEASURED the distance as 5 feet from the west wall and 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall with the muzzle pointing east.  You know that this is true, because you've posted Studebaker's map.



(in above photo, look through stairway on left to the brick wall, which is the building's north wall).
 
Yes, We agree on that point......

Rifle was found on the floor below the three opened boxes at right (only two are visible) next to the tall stack on the right edge of the photo.

NO!...That's NOT correct.....But that IS the location where the DPD placed the rifle to stage the phony in situ photo.

The roughly ten-foot distance would be from the wooden wall on the right, which is a partition for the ascending stairway to the seventh floor.

The south end of the wooden partition was about 8 feet from the north wall (LOOK at Studebaker's map) and the aisle was about 2 feet wide and the rifle in the phony in situ photo  was on the south side of that aisle or about 11 feet from the north wall.....  In reality the rifle was about four feet further south ( and four  feet down)  than the place where the rifle was placed for the fake photo.....

The south side of the brick column that has the "Stairway sign posted on it is about 11 feet from the north wall......
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2019, 02:25:21 AM »
Thank You, Jerry... I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to  discus this aspect of the case.

Rifle location was about 15 feet from the interior of the north wall 

Detective Robert Studebaker MEASURED the distance as 5 feet from the west wall and 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall with the muzzle pointing east.  You know that this is true, because you've posted Studebaker's map.



(in above photo, look through stairway on left to the brick wall, which is the building's north wall).
 
Yes, We agree on that point......

Rifle was found on the floor below the three opened boxes at right (only two are visible) next to the tall stack on the right edge of the photo.

NO!...That's NOT correct.....But that IS the location where the DPD placed the rifle to stage the phony in situ photo.

The roughly ten-foot distance would be from the wooden wall on the right, which is a partition for the ascending stairway to the seventh floor.

The south end of the wooden partition was about 8 feet from the north wall (LOOK at Studebaker's map) and the aisle was about 2 feet wide

The map shows nothing ending eight feet from the north wall. The descending stairway, as portrayed on the map. seems to begin about ten feet from the north wall, The aisle on the map is about four-and-a-third feet. Could be four feet but drawn on the map too roughly. So a foot-and-a-half-or-so for the boxes gets you to 15' 4".

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and the rifle in the phony in situ photo  was on the south side of that aisle or about 11 feet from the north wall.....  In reality the rifle was about four feet further south ( and four  feet down)  than the place where the rifle was placed for the fake photo.....

The south side of the brick column that has the "Stairway sign posted on it is about 11 feet from the north wall......



The map has the descending stairs begin about ten feet from the north wall. The brick column (with the Stairway sign) begins a bit south from where the descending stairs begin. The center of the brick column seems to correspond to the six wooden pillars that go east-to-west across the sixth floor). So the north edge of the column is about eleven feet from the north wall.

 

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2019, 06:56:53 AM »
Apparently he was ?Chairman? of one, as he was the only member in New Orleans. You don?t know this?

You don?t even know this. It?s just an assumption.

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2019, 03:00:59 PM »
The map shows nothing ending eight feet from the north wall. The descending stairway, as portrayed on the map. seems to begin about ten feet from the north wall, The aisle on the map is about four-and-a-third feet. Could be four feet but drawn on the map too roughly. So a foot-and-a-half-or-so for the boxes gets you to 15' 4".



The map has the descending stairs begin about ten feet from the north wall. The brick column (with the Stairway sign) begins a bit south from where the descending stairs begin. The center of the brick column seems to correspond to the six wooden pillars that go east-to-west across the sixth floor). So the north edge of the column is about eleven feet from the north wall.

 

The center of the brick column seems to correspond to the six wooden pillars that go east-to-west across the sixth floor). So the north edge of the column is about eleven feet from the north wall.

No, the south side of the wood support pillars  were 13 feet from the north wall and the overhead beam was at the center of that brick column....IOW the boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle were on the south side of the pillar and those boxes were about 16 inches across....( see the box at the base of the twenty inch wide brick column) then there was another row of boxes that were about 12 inches across ( narrow width)  there was a wooden pallet on the floor at 15 feet from the north wall.... That's where the rifle was discovered...(See DP #12 on page 174 of 1st Day Evidence.)

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2019, 08:29:47 PM »
The center of the brick column seems to correspond to the six wooden pillars that go east-to-west across the sixth floor). So the north edge of the column is about eleven feet from the north wall.

No, the south side of the wood support pillars  were 13 feet from the north wall and the overhead beam was at the center of that brick column....IOW the boxes that formed the south wall of the aisle were on the south side of the pillar and those boxes were about 16 inches across....( see the box at the base of the twenty inch wide brick column) then there was another row of boxes that were about 12 inches across ( narrow width)  there was a wooden pallet on the floor at 15 feet from the north wall.... That's where the rifle was discovered...(See DP #12 on page 174 of 1st Day Evidence.)




A crop from DP #12 is shown in the upper-right of the graphic above (DP #12 shows the "Stair Way" sign on the brick column). I think the south end of the brick column is getting about the 15 foot mark.

The brick column is centered on the wooden posts and the map suggests they were centered on the 13 foot mark; the brick column is a lot wider than the posts, so a foot-foot wide brick column will get its south edge to the 15 foot mark. Another four inches or so and there's the rifle.

The nearest pallet southward from the stairway (Pallet 1) is 18 or 19 feet from the north wall.

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2019, 08:47:25 PM »
Apparently he was ?Chairman? of one, as he was the only member in New Orleans. You don?t know this?
Not even "Chairman". He said in the radio debate with Bringuier in New Orleans that he was Secretary.

But of course this was a cover story that he was told to make up.

Apparently the conspiracy allegation is that "they" framed him for the assassination because they wanted to blame Castro to justify an invasion. But then "they" also conducted a fake investigation - the Warren Commission - that cleared Castro of any involvement. Yes, the same people who framed him in order to remove Castro also said Castro was innocent of any involvement.

That makes no sense but in conspiracy world it doesn't have to make sense; it just has to feed a conspiracy belief.