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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2019, 07:53:29 PM »
Still waiting for your proof that the trajectory from the 6th floor of the TSBD thru JFK's back and out his throat was even possible.  Until then, by your logic, the default position is that is wasn't possible. QED.

ETA: Interesting fact: the trajectory fits perfectly for a 2nd floor shooter in the Dal-Tex building.
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 12:29:18 AM »
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You are illustrating exactly Bill Chapman's point of how NOT to make Oswald a patsy!

Contradictions aren't a problem on the far shores of the lunatic fringe, apparently.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 12:30:42 AM »
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Contradictions are not a problem on the far shores of the lunacy fringe...

As long as you are 100% Oswald probably did it.... :D

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2019, 07:40:10 PM »
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As long as you are 100% Oswald probably did it.... :D

Probably vs JAQer/CTer dead certainty in Oswald innocence

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2019, 02:59:06 AM »
A few more examples of conspirator mistakes in the effort to frame Oswald:

1. Dropping a wallet with the fake ID Alek Hidell name at the Tippet shooting scene. This is a mistake, because many people will be asking how Oswald or anyone else could have been so retarded to have dropped his wallet at the scene, let alone one with a fake ID that links to an MC rifle found at the TSBD.

2. Trying to set up Oswald P.O. Box with an alternate name Alek Hidell, also a mistake as above. Skeptics will immediately wonder why Oswald would have rifle sent to his own P.O box instead of just creating an entirely different P.O.Box at a post office in another city and just for Alex Hidell period.

3. Overusing the Alek Hidell name is too obvious to connect Oswald with letters from Russia, then an order form for a rifle, and then the wallet dropped at the scene. Its the same unnecessary suspicion aroused as in 1 and 2 above, which the public will question.


4. Speeding up the process of framing Oswald by J.Edgar Hoover directing that the public must be convinced of "no conspiracy"  was not a good idea. It only caused the skeptical public to become more skeptical.


5. The SE window 6th floor gunman using an MC rifle, should have left the rifle there at the window, instead of placing it between boxes near the staircase, trying to make it seem like the shooter used the staircase to go down to the 2nd floor lunchroom, where they had Oswald waiting for a phone call or contact. The conspirators should have realized the potential for some employee like Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor, to be out and standing by near the rear staircase as early as 30 sec post shots, thus foiling any probable staircase escape concept.

6. IF the MC rifle actually did belong to Oswald, then it was a mistake for the conspirators to wait until the very night before to steal it from either Oswalds boarding room or the Paines garage. Granted, they were trying to minimize risk Oswald might fing the rifle missing if it were stolen a day or 2 beforehand, and might report it stolen, thus tharting their plans. However, the conspirators should have at least attempted to check out the rifle during the few hours they had it, to see if the scope was aligned, and if not, try to replace it with a better scope, or remove it. Leaving it behind, with a misaligned scope, only makes the public more skeptical and or confused.


7. If the MC rifle did not belong to Oswald, then the conspirators make a WHOLE LOT of mistakes in their effort to make it look like Oswald ordered the rifle from a magazine, and the crude handwriting trying to link to letters and the stamps on the money order, etc, and lack of fingerprints.

 

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2019, 03:07:14 AM »
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A few more examples of conspirator mistakes in the effort to frame Oswald:

1. Dropping a wallet with the fake ID Alek Hidell name at the Tippet shooting scene. This is a mistake, because many people will be asking how Oswald or anyone else could have been so retarded to have dropped his wallet at the scene, let alone one with a fake ID that links to an MC rifle found at the TSBD.

2. Trying to set up Oswald P.O. Box with an alternate name Alek Hidell, also a mistake as above. Skeptics will immediately wonder why Oswald would have rifle sent to his own P.O box instead of just creating an entirely different P.O.Box at a post office in another city and just for Alex Hidell period.

3. Overusing the Alek Hidell name is too obvious to connect Oswald with letters from Russia, then an order form for a rifle, and then the wallet dropped at the scene. Its the same unnecessary suspicion aroused as in 1 and 2 above, which the public will question.


4. Speeding up the process of framing Oswald by J.Edgar Hoover directing that the public must be convinced of "no conspiracy"  was not a good idea. It only caused the skeptical public to become more skeptical.


5. The SE window 6th floor gunman using an MC rifle, should have left the rifle there at the window, instead of placing it between boxes near the staircase, trying to make it seem like the shooter used the staircase to go down to the 2nd floor lunchroom, where they had Oswald waiting for a phone call or contact. The conspirators should have realized the potential for some employee like Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor, to be out and standing by near the rear staircase as early as 30 sec post shots, thus foiling any probable staircase escape concept.

6. IF the MC rifle actually did belong to Oswald, then it was a mistake for the conspirators to wait until the very night before to steal it from either Oswalds boarding room or the Paines garage. Granted, they were trying to minimize risk Oswald might fing the rifle missing if it were stolen a day or 2 beforehand, and might report it stolen, thus tharting their plans. However, the conspirators should have at least attempted to check out the rifle during the few hours they had it, to see if the scope was aligned, and if not, try to replace it with a better scope, or remove it. Leaving it behind, with a misaligned scope, only makes the public more skeptical and or confused.


7. If the MC rifle did not belong to Oswald, then the conspirators make a WHOLE LOT of mistakes in their effort to make it look like Oswald ordered the rifle from a magazine, and the crude handwriting trying to link to letters and the stamps on the money order, etc, and lack of fingerprints.

You're making 2 lazy assumptions, Mr Mason:

Lazy Assumption #1!

Mr Oswald was set up as a/the shooter.

Lazy Assumption #2!

The people who set Mr Oswald up as a confederate in the assassination of JFK were the same people who framed him after the event as a lone wolf gunman.

Stop making lazy assumptions, Mr Mason------it's getting old! 

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
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You're making 2 lazy assumptions, Mr Mason:

Lazy Assumption #1!

Mr Oswald was set up as a/the shooter.

Lazy Assumption #2!

The people who set Mr Oswald up as a confederate in the assassination of JFK were the same people who framed him after the event as a lone wolf gunman.

Stop making lazy assumptions, Mr Mason------it's getting old! 

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So which set of conspirators were trying to frame Oswald as a lone gunman? The pre event set of conspirators, or the post event set of conspirators?


And where the pre and post event set of conspirators aware of each others efforts, or not? If they were, then they chose not to cooperate with each other, if your premise 2 is correct, since one or the other set is NOT intending to set up Oswald as a shooter.

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2019, 12:02:46 PM »
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So which set of conspirators were trying to frame Oswald as a lone gunman? The pre event set of conspirators, or the post event set of conspirators?

The latter---------the whole reason Mr Oswald was set up as a non-trigger-pulling confederate was his Marxist credentials!

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And where the pre and post event set of conspirators aware of each others efforts, or not? If they were, then they chose not to cooperate with each other, if your premise 2 is correct, since one or the other set is NOT intending to set up Oswald as a shooter.

Two separate conspiracies IMO:
-----------#1: Conspiracy to set up Mr Oswald as the man who brought a rifle to work that day (= Assassination Conspiracy, authors unknown)
-----------#2: Conspiracy to pin the assassination on Mr Oswald and Mr Oswald alone (= Cover-Up Conspiracy, authors DPD, FBI, SS, WC).

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
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So which set of conspirators were trying to frame Oswald as a lone gunman? The pre event set of conspirators, or the post event set of conspirators?


And where the pre and post event set of conspirators aware of each others efforts, or not? If they were, then they chose not to cooperate with each other, if your premise 2 is correct, since one or the other set is NOT intending to set up Oswald as a shooter.

Hoover knew BEFORE the fact that JFK was going to be murdered....And Hoover controlled the SHAM investigation AFTER the murder.....

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Re: Two ways on how NOT to frame Oswald
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2019, 09:20:56 PM »
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A few more examples of conspirator mistakes in the effort to frame Oswald:

1. Dropping a wallet with the fake ID Alek Hidell name at the Tippet shooting scene. This is a mistake, because many people will be asking how Oswald or anyone else could have been so retarded to have dropped his wallet at the scene, let alone one with a fake ID that links to an MC rifle found at the TSBD.

2. Trying to set up Oswald P.O. Box with an alternate name Alek Hidell, also a mistake as above. Skeptics will immediately wonder why Oswald would have rifle sent to his own P.O box instead of just creating an entirely different P.O.Box at a post office in another city and just for Alex Hidell period.

3. Overusing the Alek Hidell name is too obvious to connect Oswald with letters from Russia, then an order form for a rifle, and then the wallet dropped at the scene. Its the same unnecessary suspicion aroused as in 1 and 2 above, which the public will question.


4. Speeding up the process of framing Oswald by J.Edgar Hoover directing that the public must be convinced of "no conspiracy"  was not a good idea. It only caused the skeptical public to become more skeptical.


5. The SE window 6th floor gunman using an MC rifle, should have left the rifle there at the window, instead of placing it between boxes near the staircase, trying to make it seem like the shooter used the staircase to go down to the 2nd floor lunchroom, where they had Oswald waiting for a phone call or contact. The conspirators should have realized the potential for some employee like Dorothy Garner on the 4th floor, to be out and standing by near the rear staircase as early as 30 sec post shots, thus foiling any probable staircase escape concept.

6. IF the MC rifle actually did belong to Oswald, then it was a mistake for the conspirators to wait until the very night before to steal it from either Oswalds boarding room or the Paines garage. Granted, they were trying to minimize risk Oswald might fing the rifle missing if it were stolen a day or 2 beforehand, and might report it stolen, thus tharting their plans. However, the conspirators should have at least attempted to check out the rifle during the few hours they had it, to see if the scope was aligned, and if not, try to replace it with a better scope, or remove it. Leaving it behind, with a misaligned scope, only makes the public more skeptical and or confused.


7. If the MC rifle did not belong to Oswald, then the conspirators make a WHOLE LOT of mistakes in their effort to make it look like Oswald ordered the rifle from a magazine, and the crude handwriting trying to link to letters and the stamps on the money order, etc, and lack of fingerprints.

5. The SE window 6th floor gunman using an MC rifle, should have left the rifle there at the window, instead of placing it between boxes near the staircase, trying to make it seem like the shooter used the staircase to go down to the 2nd floor lunchroom,

" The SE window 6th floor gunman using an MC rifle, should have left the rifle there at the window, "   That's true ....HOWEVER I believe the rifle was already hidden at the time of the shooting.....  Lee had been told that there would be fire crackers set off and the spectators would believe they had heard were gun shots
And in fact you may recall that many folks thought the first explosion was a firecracker or a motorcycle backfire...... later they accepted that the sound they had heard was probably a gun shot....

instead of placing it between boxes near the staircase,

The rifle was NOT!...between boxes near the staircase when Boone discovered the rifle....It had been carefully hidden beneath a pallet of book boxes 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall NOT 8 feet from the north wall.....

trying to make it seem like the shooter used the staircase to go down to the 2nd floor lunchroom,

Yes that was the plan....The stage production that was intended to make it appear that the arch Villain Lee Harrrrrvey Ossssswald BOOOO! HISSSS! had dashed by that site and hastily dumped the gun as he fled.....  And it's amazing that some gullible suckers still believe that BS.

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