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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2019, 11:12:02 PM »
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Even worse; it's only an assumption that Oswald wore the same shirt he was arrested in at the TSBD that morning.
Tim Snickerson says it was. I guess he was there ::) His was the first reply to the thread on the shirt here...
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,771.msg16387.html#msg16387
I believe all the links I found are still working. Have a glance.
Regarding conspiracy theories---The US Democrats still believe [even after the Mueller report] that the Donald Trump campaign conspired with Russia to defeat Hilly.

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #64 on: March 25, 2019, 11:12:02 PM »


Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2019, 12:25:08 AM »
I think you mean the partial palm print that turned up a week later on an index card, and fibres that may or may not have come from Oswald?s shirt.

You think a lot of things, don't you John.. such as how the 'fibers couldn't be dismissed as being from Oswald's shirt' remark somehow differs from your 'fibers that may or may not have come from Oswald's shirt'

A goodly number of these 'couldn't-be-dismissed/may-or-may nots' exist and are worthy of serious consideration, whether detractors like it or not.

In regards the partial, I have no information as to when the investigators decided to check for prints on the rifle in it's broken-down state.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2019, 12:58:11 AM »
The (literally) loaded answer was the rifle found to be sporting the Oswald print on the barrel portion under the stock, along with shirt fiber found on the butt plate that couldn't be dismissed as being from Oswald's shirt.

Suggesting the evidence is suspect but never having to own up to the implications
>>> It's the conspiracy-monger technique known as JAQing:
 
Just Asking Questions
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously having to prove that all politicians are reptoid scum, one can pull out one single odd piece of evidence and force the opponent to explain why the evidence is wrong.

The tactic is closely related to loaded questions or leading questions (which are usually employed when using it), Gish Gallops (when asking a huge number of rapid-fire questions without regard for the answers) and Argumentum ad nauseam (when asking the same question over and over in an attempt to overwhelm refutations).

It should be noted that accusing one's opponent of "just asking questions" is a common derailment tactic and a way of poisoning the well. Asking questions in and of itself is not invalid.

The subjective nature of this charge, and its consequent ripeness for abuse, means that deploying it can be a very inflammatory move. One side may put forward the accusation that the other side is cynically "just asking questions" and believe that they are acting in good faith, and the other side may equally strongly believe that they were asking genuine questions in good faith and the first person is the one acting in bad faith.

The (literally) loaded answer was the rifle found to be sporting the Oswald print on the barrel portion under the stock,

Are you really so dumb that you believe that an adult man could deposit an identifiable palm print on a cylindrical tube that is the same diameter as a AA pen light battery?

along with shirt fiber found on the butt plate that couldn't be dismissed as being from Oswald's shirt.

Excellent point to demonstrate that Lee was framed....  The FBI claimed that the tuft of fibers matched the shirt that Lee was wearing when he was dragged from the theater.... BIG PROBLEM!!....  Lee went to his room and changed his clothes after he left the TSBD and before he went to the theater.

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2019, 02:10:53 AM »
You think a lot of things, don't you John.. such as how my 'that [fiber] couldn't be dismissed as being from Oswald's shirt' remark somehow differs from your 'fibers that may or may not have come from Oswald's shirt'

A goodly number of these 'couldn't-be-dismissed/may-or-may nots' exist and worthy of consideration whether detractors like it or not.

In regards the partial, I have no information as to when the investigators decided to check for prints on the rifle in it's broken-down state.

You think a lot of things, don't you John

So do you

A goodly number of these 'couldn't-be-dismissed/may-or-may nots' exist and worthy of consideration whether detractors like it or not.

Care to name one?

In regards the partial, I have no information as to when the investigators decided to check for prints on the rifle in it's broken-down state.

Well, the FBI checked with 24 hours after the murder and found no prints
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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2019, 01:03:14 PM »
You think a lot of things, don't you John.. such as how my 'that [fiber] couldn't be dismissed as being from Oswald's shirt' remark somehow differs from your 'fibers that may or may not have come from Oswald's shirt'

A goodly number of these 'couldn't-be-dismissed/may-or-may nots' exist and worthy of consideration whether detractors like it or not.

In regards the partial, I have no information as to when the investigators decided to check for prints on the rifle in it's broken-down state.

Sounds a whole lot like Dishonest John is alleging that Oswald's prints were planted on the rifle.  That is "faked" evidence since he won't apparently ever acknowledge the implications. 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2019, 06:48:09 PM »
Sounds a whole lot like Dishonest John is alleging that Oswald's prints were planted on the rifle.  That is "faked" evidence since he won't apparently ever acknowledge the implications.

The whole tale about the palm print on the rifle is BS!....  Day thought that a smudge on the foregrip of the carcano might have been a palm print when he first spotted it in the TSBD at about 2:00pm that afternoon...   He knew that wood absorbs prints rapidly so he attempted to lift that smudge immediately....And Tom Alyea watched as he lifted the smudge and then placed the cellophane tape on a small (3 X5 index card) ....Day then jotted down the pertinent information ..."off underside of barrel near end of fore grip   on rifle c 2766"   

Later that night the 3 X5 card was sent along with the reast of the evidence to the FBI  ( It's listed on the evidence inventory list)   Some folks deny that it is listed on the list for 11/22/63  and delude themselves into believing that the "palm print" ( unidentifiable smudge) wasn't released to the FBI until 11/26/63.

But the list itself is solid evidence that it was created on 11/22/63 .......

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2019, 07:11:29 PM »
Citing ... "due to adverse publicity from the press"  -charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped. This was a conspiracy of the third kind. There are those who will say that the city of Chicago and the media owes him an apology. Goes to show you...green backs matter. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/26/706857658/prosecutors-drop-all-charges-against-empire-actor-jussie-smollett

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Re: Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2019, 07:12:58 PM »
Sounds a whole lot like Dishonest John is alleging that Oswald's prints were planted on the rifle.  That is "faked" evidence since he won't apparently ever acknowledge the implications.

How do you reconcile the FBI examination of the rifle on 11/23/63 and not finding even a trace of a print and Day producing an index card with a print on it a week later?