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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #90 on: February 12, 2018, 04:20:08 PM »
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LOL.  That is because you can't follow along as usual.  Your fantasy conspirators must have been fast to construct this "after the fact" since Oswald's cab and bus ride became known pretty quickly.  In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.  Even Houdini couldn't pull that off.  Did they also have a time machine to go back and figure out which bus and cab would have been in place at the correct times?  And that the bus went nowhere necessitating a fake cab ride.  And who would be on the bus etc.  It is somewhat difficult to understand how that narrative could have been constructed "after the fact" as you stupidly suggest unless they had real time knowledge of the bus and cab in place at that moment.  And they could only know that if they planned this in advance.  I know that it is difficult for you to be anything other than a lazy contrarian but assume the fetal position in some dark place and try thinking for once.

LOL.  That is because you can't follow along as usual.

Why is it that nearly all (if not all) LNs have this massive superiority complex? 

Your fantasy conspirators must have been fast to construct this "after the fact" since Oswald's cab and bus ride became known pretty quickly. 

Really? It seems to me they had two possible scenarios from the beginning; the first one was a bus/taxi scenario and the second one was a guy being picked up by a car on Elm street.

In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.

Did he?

It is somewhat difficult to understand how that narrative could have been constructed "after the fact"

Well it requires the use of a functional brain... perhaps that's your problem.

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #91 on: February 12, 2018, 04:23:50 PM »
The WC was stuck with Whaley who the DPD came up with.

The WC (and Whaley) get all entangled in this quarter hour trip time nonsense because BALL/BELIN have to work backwards from a close to one o'clock rooming house arrival. They settle on a Whaley triptime of 5:30, meaning "Oswald" entered cab @12:47/48 and exited @12:54.

Looking at Whaley's trip sheet the WC can't even get their start time inside the window in Whaley's trip sheet (12:30 - 12:45)!

This part of the testimony shows BALL is totally screwed when it comes to actual vs guestimated times:

Mr. WHALEY. 12 o'clock I got a call to the Travis Hotel. I have got it marked 16 which is the Continental bus station, stand No. 15, 55 cents. I unloaded that at 12:15.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go at 12:15 according to you record?
Mr. WHALEY. According to my record I got a pickup at the Continental bus station which is stand 16 and went to the Greyhound which is 55 cents. I unloaded at the Greyhound, I have got it marked 12:30. See there is that 15 minutes you say I am off, I just mark it 15, I don't put the correct time on the sheet because they don't require it, sir, but anywhere approximate.
Mr. BALL. In other words, it took you about 15 minutes to go--
Mr. WHALEY. It actually took about nine minutes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you put the trip ending Greyhound around 12:30?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

BOOM: The pre-"Oswald" trip actually started 12:21 and ended, ACTUALLY, at 12:30 as stated in Whaley's AFFIDAVIT.

Mr. BALL. You remember that trip, do you, you remember the fact that you took the trip to the Greyhound and parked your car at the Greyhound or your cab at the Greyhound, don't you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I remember it.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing at the Greyhound, at your cab stand at the Greyhound, long before you picked up another passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir, there was no one at the Greyhound stand and when I unloaded at the door I just pulled up about 30 feet to the stand and stopped and then I wanted a package of cigarettes, I was out so I started to get out and I saw this passenger coming so I waited for him.

"Oswald" was there right after 12:30, just when he also left the TSBD - OOPS.

The Comission tried to dismantle that bomb by calling it speculation but was sunk by Whaley himself:

Speculation.—The log of the cabdriver who took Oswald to North
Beckley Avenue, William W. Whaley, shows that Oswald entered his
cab at 12 :30 p.m. Since this occurred at some distance from the point
of the President's assassination, Oswald could not have shot the
President.
GommAssion finding.—Whaley's log does show 12 :30 p.m., but he has
testified that he was not accurate in logging the time that passengers
entered his cab, that he usually logged them at 15-minute intervals,
and that it was undoubtedly some time later than 12 :30 when Oswald
entered his cab. Sometimes he did not make entries in his logbook
until three or four trips later. The bus transfer in Oswald's possession
was issued after 12 :36 p.m. The Commission has determined that
Oswald probably entered Whaley's cab at about 12 :47 or 12 :48 p.m.^54

NOTE early times in trip sheet where Whaley logs idle time as low as 10 minutes between trips.
 
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 04:25:45 PM by Tom Sorensen »

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2018, 04:30:45 PM »
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LOL.  That is because you can't follow along as usual.

Why is it that nearly all (if not all) LNs have this massive superiority complex? 

Your fantasy conspirators must have been fast to construct this "after the fact" since Oswald's cab and bus ride became known pretty quickly. 

Really? It seems to me they had two possible scenarios from the beginning; the first one was a bus/taxi scenario and the second one was a guy being picked up by a car on Elm street.

In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.

Did he?

It is somewhat difficult to understand how that narrative could have been constructed "after the fact"

Well it requires the use of a functional brain... perhaps that's your problem.

Whew.  You are all over the place.  First it was planned after the fact.  Now there were multiple plans in place beforehand.  Try to focus.  How would the conspirators know which bus would be in place at the right moment and who was on that bus?  How would they get someone on the bus to lie and confirm that Oswald got on?   How would they keep the others quiet?  Why add all these people to the conspiracy when the bus took Oswald nowhere and advanced his escape not one iota?  If the conspirators wanted Oswald dead, why give him any assistance after the fact and then abandon him at his boardinghouse?  Why not let him make his own way there or better yet knock him off at the TSBD?  Instead they give him a head start and cover story for how he reaches his boardinghouse necessitating the coordination of a complex web of facts in lightning speed that add multiple parties to the conspiracy at great risk for no apparent purpose except to put Oswald on a bus to nowhere.   Ridiculous.  You should beg forgiveness from intelligent people for even your feeble attempt to validate this nutty theory.

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2018, 04:59:04 PM »
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Whew.  You are all over the place.  First it was planned after the fact.  Now there were multiple plans in place beforehand.  Try to focus.  How would the conspirators know which bus would be in place at the right moment and who was on that bus?  How would they get someone on the bus to lie and confirm that Oswald got on?   How would they keep the others quiet?  Why add all these people to the conspiracy when the bus took Oswald nowhere and advanced his escape not one iota?  If the conspirators wanted Oswald dead, why give him any assistance after the fact and then abandon him at his boardinghouse?  Why not let him make his own way there or better yet knock him off at the TSBD?  Instead they give him a head start and cover story for how he reaches his boardinghouse necessitating the coordination of a complex web of facts in lightning speed that add multiple parties to the conspiracy at great risk for no apparent purpose except to put Oswald on a bus to nowhere.   Ridiculous.  You should beg forgiveness from intelligent people for even your feeble attempt to validate this nutty theory.

You really are not getting any of this, aren't you?

First it was planned after the fact. 

Now, you are just being plain weird. How in the world can anybody plan something after the fact? You can work with the available information and come up with a narrative, but that's something entirely different than planning something.

Now there were multiple plans in place beforehand.

Really? Where did I say that?

The remainder of your last rant isn't worth any reply or discussion for one single reason; all that strawman crap in your head.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 05:01:29 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2018, 05:26:29 PM »
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LOL.  That is because you can't follow along as usual.

Why is it that nearly all (if not all) LNs have this massive superiority complex? 

Your fantasy conspirators must have been fast to construct this "after the fact" since Oswald's cab and bus ride became known pretty quickly. 

Really? It seems to me they had two possible scenarios from the beginning; the first one was a bus/taxi scenario and the second one was a guy being picked up by a car on Elm street.

In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.

Did he?

It is somewhat difficult to understand how that narrative could have been constructed "after the fact"

Well it requires the use of a functional brain... perhaps that's your problem.

In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.

Did he?

Good Question!....  Did Lee have a bus transfer in his pocket when he was dragged from the theater ???...

Some reports say the cops pulled it from his shirt pocket while in the police car on the way to the police station....but the "official" report say it was taken from his pocket at the time he was booked at about 4:30 that afternoon.

Either way that transfer does NOT look like it's been handled roughly as it would have been if it had been in his shirt pocket at the theater......   It's possible that Lee received the transfer when he departed Mc Watter's bus and placed it in his shirt pocket.   Then when he changed shirts at the rooming house he forgot to remove the transfer ( it was useless at that point)  When the cops searched his room they took the reddish brown shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR  to police headquarters and discovered the transfer.
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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2018, 06:40:29 PM »
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In fact, they were so efficient that Oswald had a bus transfer in his pocket when arrested.

Did he?

Good Question!....  Did Lee have a bus transfer in his pocket when he was dragged from the theater ???...

Some reports say the cops pulled it from his shirt pocket while in the police car on the way to the police station....but the "official" report say it was taken from his pocket at the time he was booked at about 4:30 that afternoon.

Either way that transfer does NOT look like it's been handled roughly as it would have been if it had been in his shirt pocket at the theater......   It's possible that Lee received the transfer when he departed Mc Watter's bus and placed it in his shirt pocket.   Then when he changed shirts at the rooming house he forgot to remove the transfer ( it was useless at that point)  When the cops searched his room they took the reddish brown shirt with the BUTTON DOWN COLLAR  to police headquarters and discovered the transfer.

Finally we reach the Alamo defense.  THE EVIDENCE was faked.  LOL.  Just answer one simple question.  Why would your fantasy conspirators go to the trouble and risk to create the impression that Oswald was on a bus that took him absolutely nowhere?  Necessitating somehow knowing which bus to place him on, convincing those on the bus not to say otherwise (or to confirm his presence), and then to forever keep quiet.  Spin us a yarn.  Martin has embarrassed himself.  But maybe you can explain it.

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2018, 06:48:29 PM »
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Finally we reach the Alamo defense.  THE EVIDENCE was faked.  LOL.  Just answer one simple question.  Why would your fantasy conspirators go to the trouble and risk to create the impression that Oswald was on a bus that took him absolutely nowhere?  Necessitating somehow knowing which bus to place him on, convincing those on the bus not to say otherwise (or to confirm his presence), and then to forever keep quiet.  Spin us a yarn.  Martin has embarrassed himself.  But maybe you can explain it.


You'll probably need another century to figure it out, but nobody is talking about evidence being faked. Well, uh.... nobody except you!

Why would your fantasy conspirators go to the trouble and risk to create the impression that Oswald was on a bus that took him absolutely nowhere?

Simple answer that will probably confuse you ever more: They didn't create that impression!
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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2018, 07:22:08 PM »
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The WC was stuck with Whaley who the DPD came up with.

The WC (and Whaley) get all entangled in this quarter hour trip time nonsense because BALL/BELIN have to work backwards from a close to one o'clock rooming house arrival. They settle on a Whaley triptime of 5:30, meaning "Oswald" entered cab @12:47/48 and exited @12:54.

Looking at Whaley's trip sheet the WC can't even get their start time inside the window in Whaley's trip sheet (12:30 - 12:45)!

This part of the testimony shows BALL is totally screwed when it comes to actual vs guestimated times:

Mr. WHALEY. 12 o'clock I got a call to the Travis Hotel. I have got it marked 16 which is the Continental bus station, stand No. 15, 55 cents. I unloaded that at 12:15.
Mr. BALL. Then where did you go at 12:15 according to you record?
Mr. WHALEY. According to my record I got a pickup at the Continental bus station which is stand 16 and went to the Greyhound which is 55 cents. I unloaded at the Greyhound, I have got it marked 12:30. See there is that 15 minutes you say I am off, I just mark it 15, I don't put the correct time on the sheet because they don't require it, sir, but anywhere approximate.
Mr. BALL. In other words, it took you about 15 minutes to go--
Mr. WHALEY. It actually took about nine minutes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And you put the trip ending Greyhound around 12:30?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

BOOM: The pre-"Oswald" trip actually started 12:21 and ended, ACTUALLY, at 12:30 as stated in Whaley's AFFIDAVIT.

Mr. BALL. You remember that trip, do you, you remember the fact that you took the trip to the Greyhound and parked your car at the Greyhound or your cab at the Greyhound, don't you?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; I remember it.
Mr. BALL. Were you standing at the Greyhound, at your cab stand at the Greyhound, long before you picked up another passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. No, sir, there was no one at the Greyhound stand and when I unloaded at the door I just pulled up about 30 feet to the stand and stopped and then I wanted a package of cigarettes, I was out so I started to get out and I saw this passenger coming so I waited for him.

"Oswald" was there right after 12:30, just when he also left the TSBD - OOPS.

The Comission tried to dismantle that bomb by calling it speculation but was sunk by Whaley himself:

Speculation.—The log of the cabdriver who took Oswald to North
Beckley Avenue, William W. Whaley, shows that Oswald entered his
cab at 12 :30 p.m. Since this occurred at some distance from the point
of the President's assassination, Oswald could not have shot the
President.
GommAssion finding.—Whaley's log does show 12 :30 p.m., but he has
testified that he was not accurate in logging the time that passengers
entered his cab, that he usually logged them at 15-minute intervals,
and that it was undoubtedly some time later than 12 :30 when Oswald
entered his cab. Sometimes he did not make entries in his logbook
until three or four trips later. The bus transfer in Oswald's possession
was issued after 12 :36 p.m. The Commission has determined that
Oswald probably entered Whaley's cab at about 12 :47 or 12 :48 p.m.^54

NOTE early times in trip sheet where Whaley logs idle time as low as 10 minutes between trips.

BOOM: The pre-"Oswald" trip actually started 12:21 and ended, ACTUALLY, at 12:30 as stated in Whaley's AFFIDAVIT.

I believe Whaley said that he dropped a passenger at the Greyhound bus station at 12:15 and then sat awaiting a call.At 12:20 he was parked in front of the Greyhound Depot and then moved forward to be the next  cab out.....He thought he would have time to step inside  buy a pack of cigarettes when the "wino" who was dressed in blue workman's uniform , and rumpled clothes ( "he looked like he had slept in his clothes" ) hailed him and asked him for a ride.

His handwritten affidavit clearly says it was 12:20 when he was parked an awaiting his turn to be next in line.  The wino in the blue work cloths entered his cab at about 12:30.....he wino was NOT Lee Oswald..,

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2018, 07:47:03 PM »
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Finally we reach the Alamo defense.  THE EVIDENCE was faked.  LOL.  Just answer one simple question.  Why would your fantasy conspirators go to the trouble and risk to create the impression that Oswald was on a bus that took him absolutely nowhere?  Necessitating somehow knowing which bus to place him on, convincing those on the bus not to say otherwise (or to confirm his presence), and then to forever keep quiet.  Spin us a yarn.  Martin has embarrassed himself.  But maybe you can explain it.

Who said anything about the bus transfer being faked as much f the so called evidence is???

Why would your fantasy conspirators go to the trouble and risk to create the impression that Oswald was on a bus that took him absolutely nowhere?

HUH???.....   What the hell you been smokin??   I've never even hinted hat Lee wasn't on Cecil  Mc Watter's bus....( even though I don't believe Mrs Bledsoe)

I'm merely questioning how the transfer entered the evidence stream.....And due to it's pristine condition, I don't believe it was in Lee's pocket when he was dragged from the theater....

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Re: Was Lee Oswald the passenger in Whaley's Taxi?
« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2018, 12:18:31 AM »
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Whenever either of you two can show something which casts doubt on the theory that Oswald had the cab go past the rooming house so that he could determine if the authorities were already there, then I'll be glad to have a look.

Whenever you can show that Oswald had the cab go past the rooming house so that he could determine if the authorities were already there, then I'll be glad to have a look.

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