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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2019, 02:35:28 PM »
Funny how he reenacted that differently over the years.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

Yes indeed....  Ol Hank the hero who, was actually right there and heard the bolt being operated, and the boom of the discharge, and the clack of the bolt being pulled to the rear,  has added a bit to his embroidery work over the decades....  Ol Hero Hank's  memory must have slipped because in mimicking the sounds of the rifle being fired with his mouth he has completely forgotten that he also swore that he heard the clink of the spent shells hitting the floor....  Which indicates that he's a prevaricator...  Because he originally came on stage and into the lime light by saying that he'd heard the shells falling on the floor above his head ( Even though the shells were much closer to Bonnie Ray Williams head)    The tale about hearing the shells is what got him on stage....  Then afterwards he embroidered THE REST OF THE STORY.......

If a person actually experience something it's in their memory banks.....  Hank didn't hear any of what he says he heard.....He's simply a teller of non truths...and LBJ's cover up committee was encouraging him.

Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not you said anything to the men then as to whether or not you heard anything from above you?
Mr. NORMAN. Only I think I remember saying that I thought I could hear the shell hulls and the ejection of the rifle. I didn't tell I think I hear anybody moving, you know.
Mr. BALL. But you thought, do you remember you told the men then that you thought you heard the ejection of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And shells on the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Falling?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything as to where they thought the shots came from?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I don't recall of either one of them saying they thought where it came from.
Mr. BALL. But You did?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you said you thought it came from where?
Mr. NORMAN. Above where we were, above us.
Mr. BALL. Did you see any dust or dirt falling?
Mr. NORMAN. I didn't see any falling but I saw some in Bonnie Ray Williams hair.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody say anything about it?
Mr. NORMAN. I believe Jarman told him that it was in his hair first. Then I, you know, told him it was and I believe Jarman told him not to brush it out his hair but I think he did anyway.
Mr. BALL. After that happened, what did you do?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, we ran to the farthest window facing the expressway.
Mr. BALL. The farthest window, is that right?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Or did you hear any elevator operator
Mr. NORMAN. No; I don't recall.
Mr. BALL. Going up or down?
Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I don't recall anyone.

Mr. BALL. You did make a statement later to the Secret Service, didn't you?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I have here a document 493, which is a copy of a statement made by this witness, which I now mark 493.
(The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 493, for identification.)
Mr. BALL. The document that I have here shows the date 4th of December 1963. Do you remember having made a statement to Mr. Carter, Special Agent of the Secret Service, on that day?
Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember the exact date but I believe I remember Mr. Carter.
Mr. BALL. I want to call your attention to one part of the statement and I will ask you if you told him that:
"Just after the President passed by, I heard a shot and several seconds later I heard two more shots. I knew that the shots had come from directly above me, and I could hear the expended cartridges fall to the floor. I could also hear the bolt action of the rifle. I also saw some dust fall from the ceiling of the fifth floor and I felt sure that whoever had fired the shots was directly above me."
Did you make that statement to the Secret Service man?
Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember making a statement that I knew the shots came from directly above us. I didn't make that statement. And I don't remember saying I heard several seconds later. I merely told him that I heard three shots because I didn't have any idea what time it was.
Mr. BALL. I see. Did you tell them that you heard the bolt action of the rifle?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And that you heard the expended cartridges fall to the floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes; I heard them making a sound.

Mr. BALL. Do you remember Friday that we conducted an experiment to see whether or not you could hear?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. From the sixth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And where did you put yourself in order to conduct the experiment?
Mr. NORMAN. In the same window. I may not have been in the same position but I was in the same window.
Mr. BALL. The same window?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And that window was open?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And the window, was the window on the sixth floor also open?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; they told me it was open. I didn't see it.
Mr. BALL. And a Secret Service man went upstairs with a rifle, didn't he?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you hear on the fifth floor?
Mr. NORMAN. Well, I heard the same sound, the sound similar. I heard three something that he dropped on the floor and then I could hear the rifle or whatever he had up there.
Mr. BALL. You could hear the rifle, the sound of an ejection?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you hear the sound of the bolt going back and forth?
Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I sure did.
Mr. BALL. You could hear it clearly, could you?
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Humor me
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2019, 06:12:48 PM »
Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.


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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2019, 07:10:04 AM »
Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.

Was that statement Q&A





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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2019, 01:38:41 PM »
Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.



Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.

That's right!....  And I believe that IF ? Mr Norman had actually heard the sound of shells hitting the floor in conjunction with the sounds of a rifle bolt being operated and the boom of the discharge....He wouldn't have been standing there scratching his head and wondering what he'd heard....He would probably said something like "Hey! ...There's someone firing a rifle right above us.... Let's get outta here"....

Norman didn't start talking about shells hitting the floor until the FBI questioned the three stooges a couple of days after the coup d e'tat.  They "re-enacted" the THEORY  about the shooting while Hero Hank was on the fifth floor straining to hear the sounds they were making in "re-enacting the shooting"   That's when the sounds were actually introduced into Hank's memory banks.

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2019, 02:12:53 PM »
You want that to be true. Which is weird. It's genuinely hard to fathom what your motive is - I think of all the people I've seen participating on JFK related forums you are the most rabid 'lone nutter'. To say you passionately believe Oswald is the lone nut would be an understatement. I think even Paul is on the record as having not ruled out completely someone else was involved. The motivation to just defend the theory Oswald acted alone is weird. Unreasonable, even.

You paint a picture of Oswald excitedly salivating at the prospect of shooting JFK dead. But yet, the frothing at the mouth nutcase Oswald, you paint a picture of, instead of shooting JFK at the easiest and most obvious opportunity from Main onto N Houston. He calmly waits until the limo turns onto Elm, misses his first shot ... frantically seeking to kill JFK, Oswald hurries a reload (as the limo gets further away ... 80 yards or so further down Elm), he missed the head shot! again, with increased pressure ratcheting down upon himself Oswald frantically reloading his weapon knowing he's facing very stiff odds to get the opportunity to re-sight on the target and squeeze the trigger *had the SS been doing their job in protecting JFK the limo should have been floored engaging the fast exit gearing* but somehow Oswald manages this task - but only manages to shot JFK in the back. WTF, Oswald get it done! surely someone will take control of the situation and give the order to save JFK's life and get the duck (quack) out of there! Surely the highly professional SS will enact their training and evacuate the VIP from the scene at the sounds of shots fired? But wait, the limo driver Greer has found the time to turn his head around to face JFK and only when JFK's the head explodes, in front of his eyes, only then is Greer prepared to pull away quick sharp. The tension was building! Oswald, carried out his own personal mission, defied his self-made ever-increasing odds (by letting the limo take the turn onto Elm) ... he somehow kept his cool ... made sure (eventually) that JFK doesn't get out of dealey plaza alive! Oswald didn't even break a sweat, apparently.

So many reasonable eyewitnesses stated hearing: BANG ... BANG/BANG. The two final shots on top of each other.

What's your theory about that, David? *knows there's a perfectly scripted reply* so don't bother - just wondering if there's anything inside your soul that has an opinion, a personal view, of how the final two shots that so many people within earshot seem to recall hearing. Do you have any theories about how these two shots could have come from Oswald? Do you totally rule out the possibility someone else fired another shot? doesn't something inside you wonder how so many people could have got it wrong hearing 2 shots together, in quick succession (impossible for a bolt-action) as you know.

Do you have any personal opinions on the JFK assassination David? you parrot almost every opinion, some say scripted, reply for lone nutters.

Ever been to the Plaza, Robert?  Ever lit a firecracker there?  It is an echo chamber....... chamber.

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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2019, 02:34:26 PM »
Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.



Ol Hero Hank is an amazing guy....  He said he heard the first shot ...So he stuck his head out of the window and looked up toward the sixth floor roof then he heard two more shots after he pulled his head back in the window.  Since the total ET for all of the shots was less than ten seconds.....Ol Hero Hank had reflexes that were faster than Superman.  And....Hank in the affidavit says that two additional shots were fired after he pulled his head back inside the window. The Tom Dillard Telephoto  shot shows our Hero looking down toward Houston street with a puzzled look on his face....



Norman is one of the LNer's Heroes .....   because his prevaricating was instrumental in the framing of Lee Oswald.
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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2019, 09:32:42 PM »
Was that statement Q&A

Was the Bookhout report about Randle's estimate of the size of the package she saw a "statement Q&A"?

Just askingÖ..

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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2019, 03:20:21 AM »
So you agree, it could have been a conspiracy.

Conspiracy cannot be eliminated to a 100% certainty yet Iíve seen no hard credible evidence for it in 56 years.

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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2019, 08:44:18 AM »
Conspiracy cannot be eliminated to a 100% certainty yet Iíve seen no hard credible evidence for it in 56 years.

All it takes not to see "hard credible" evidence is to dismiss whatever is being offered as not credible.

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Offline Richard Smith

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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2019, 01:23:17 PM »
Nothing about hearing cartridges hitting the floor in the earliest interview.

That's right!....  And I believe that IF ? Mr Norman had actually heard the sound of shells hitting the floor in conjunction with the sounds of a rifle bolt being operated and the boom of the discharge....He wouldn't have been standing there scratching his head and wondering what he'd heard....He would probably said something like "Hey! ...There's someone firing a rifle right above us.... Let's get outta here"....

Norman didn't start talking about shells hitting the floor until the FBI questioned the three stooges a couple of days after the coup d e'tat.  They "re-enacted" the THEORY  about the shooting while Hero Hank was on the fifth floor straining to hear the sounds they were making in "re-enacting the shooting"   That's when the sounds were actually introduced into Hank's memory banks.

Great example of CTer dishonesty.  Noting that there is "nothing about cartridges hitting the floor" to cast doubt on Norman's account when his statement clearly indicates that "he thought the shot had been fired from the floor directly above him."  Norman believes the shots came from above him to such an extent that he actually looks up to see what is going on and, incredibly, for this reason (checking where he believes the shots came from) his account is then further discounted because in Walt's subjective opinion he should have acted differently.  LOL.  We also know that other witnesses see a rifle sticking out of the 6th floor window at the moment of the assassination to corroborate his account.  And why would he lie about any of this?  Add yet another potential member to the large conspiracy these same CTers deny they are claiming while falsely and dishonestly suggesting that everyone lied to implicate Oswald.

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