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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #250 on: September 10, 2019, 10:54:18 PM »
So no justification then for identifying this person as Calvery?  I'm disappointed.

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #251 on: September 10, 2019, 11:21:15 PM »
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So no justification then for identifying this person as Calvery?  I'm disappointed.

Iacoletti,

It's called having relatively good eyesight, being unbiased, using deductive reasoning, and having a bit of "horse sense"

Aren't you bummed that Linda Giovanna Zambini agrees with Sandy Larsen and me that the big, tall gal in Zabruder is Gloria Calvery?

--  MWT   ;)

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #252 on: September 10, 2019, 11:58:07 PM »
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It's called having relatively good eyesight, being unbiased, using deductive reasoning, and having a bit of "horse sense"

It's called "proof" by insisting that you are correct over and over.

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Aren't you bummed that Linda Giovanna Zambini agrees with Sandy Larsen and me that the big, tall gal in Zabruder is Gloria Calvery?

Not particularly.  Not without knowing WHY.  I just hope their reasons are better than yours.

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #253 on: September 11, 2019, 05:58:09 PM »
Me:  Aren't you bummed that Linda Giovanna Zambini agrees with Sandy Larsen and me that the big, tall gal in Zabruder is Gloria Calvery?

Iacoletti:  Not particularly.  Not without knowing WHY.  I just hope their reasons are better than yours.

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Iacoletti,

What are your reasons for believing Karen Westbrook was right when she "identified" the three women standing by the Stemmons sign in Zapruder as "Uhh ... probably Carol Reed, definitely my friend Gloria Calvert (sic), and me, Karen Westbrook!", in a frame that was shot some distance from those three women, from behind, and 55 years earlier?

(One wonders whether or not Stephen "Smilin' 'n Noddin'" Fagin pointed out to Mrs. Scranton the tall, blue headscarf-wearing woman standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" with those three other headscarf-wearing gals about twenty feet to the left of her "Calvert" in that same frame, or whether or not Fagin is even aware of that woman (the real Westbrook) in the Zapruder film.

Did Steve assume that those four shoulder-to-shoulder headscarf-wearing gals must have been (because Robin Unger and Don Roberdeau said so -- in some unknown order) Jane Berry, Betty Thornton, and Peggy Burney, plus one "odd-woman-in" Mysto Gal?)

Because, "Uhh ... She was there, Tommy.  She was there fifty-five years ago, goddammit, and you weren't." ?

LOL

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #254 on: September 11, 2019, 07:52:43 PM »
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What are your reasons for believing Karen Westbrook was right when she "identified" the three women standing by the Stemmons sign in Zapruder as "Uhh ... probably Carol Reed, definitely my friend Gloria Calvert (sic), and me, Karen Westbrook!", in a frame that was shot some distance from those three women, from behind, and 55 years earlier?

Do you think that if you keep asking the same questions over and over again that you'll eventually get a different answer?

Westbrook was there and knew these people.  You were not and did not.  That's why I believe her over you.  Simple as that.

Until you come up with something better than "duh....looks like them to me!", that will continue to be the answer.  So stop repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again and come up with something else.

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #255 on: September 11, 2019, 09:25:18 PM »
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Do you think that if you keep asking the same questions over and over again that you'll eventually get a different answer?

Westbrook was there and knew these people.  You were not and did not.  That's why I believe her over you.  Simple as that.

Until you come up with something better than "duh....looks like them to me!", that will continue to be the answer.  So stop repeating the same nonsense over and over and over again and come up with something else.

Iacoletti,

If that's Carol Reed on the left (in that group of three women in Zapruder):
1) Why is she so dark-complected? (see Z-frame 60, etc)
2)  Where is Karan Hicks?

If that's not Carol Reed on the left:
1) Is it Karan Hicks, instead?
2)  (see #2, above)

If that's neither Reed nor Hicks on the left:
Then where are they?

Hmm?

--  MWT  ;)

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #256 on: September 11, 2019, 10:42:58 PM »
Looks like all you have is yet another round of the same old questions.

Wake me up if you ever come up with something new.

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #257 on: September 12, 2019, 12:02:15 AM »
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Looks like all you have is yet another round of the same old questions.

Wake me up if you ever come up with something new.


Somebody please wake me up if Iacoletti ever answers them.

"Color-saturation in the Costella Combined-Edit frames Z-60, etc, make her skin look darker than it really was."

"Just because Calvery, Hicks, Reed and Westbrook told the FBI they'd walked down Elm Street and watched the motorcade together doesn't mean they were actually standing within 50 feet of each other."

LOL

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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #258 on: September 12, 2019, 12:09:41 AM »
Sorry, did you say something?


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Re: Have Doyle and Graves proven that these are the same people?
« Reply #259 on: September 12, 2019, 12:59:13 AM »
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Sorry, did you say something?



Iacoletti,

You must be exhausted from all those midnight rituals with the guys in the garden.

Didn't anyone tell you when you were young that you could go blind doing that?

--  MWT   ;)


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