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Offline Tom Scully

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 06:08:26 PM »
Oscar, reread the thread. Obviously, you are much better versed on the veneer than I am.
Please do not read any of my additional posts. You certainly seem satisfied there is not even the
appearance of impropriety, and LBJ, Warren and the rest of the WC, the FBI, DPD, anc CIA all
gave the American people a fair shake. Obviously, you and I have had dramatically different upbringings and life experiences.
Whenever my mom, or, as I grew older, anyone tried to spoon feed me BS, I spit it out.
I have seen other people put mustard and relish on it, proclaim it a hot dog, and swallow it with gusto!
Case closed.....
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John Joseph Ford (October 10, 1907 ? August 4, 1982)
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In 1943, Governor Earl Warren appointed Ford to the Los Angeles County Municipal Court, where he served until 1948 when Warren elevated him to the Los Angeles County Superior Court.[1] Ford left the Superior Court when Governor Pat Brown appointed Ford to the California Second District Court of Appeal, Division Three in 1959.[1] Brown elevated Ford to Presiding Justice of the same court in 1966.[1] Ford retired in 1977 and died in Newport Beach, California in 1982.[1]
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Childhood
Ford was one of three children of father William Joseph Ford and Margaret McCarthy. The other 2 were Robert and Margaret. Ford's mother died when he was four years old. Ford's father later remarried Cecily Chambers and had 7 more children: Liam, Moira, Patrick, James, Declan, Joe Brendan, and Derrick. John Joseph Ford went on to graduate from Loyola High School. Robert "Bob" Ford, Moira Ford, Patrick Ford and James Ford also became practicing attorneys in California.....
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TESTIMONY OF DECLAN P. FORD
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The CHAIRMAN. As to the purpose so you understand what we are doing here today?
Mr. FORD. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Will you please rise. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mr. FORD. I do.
The CHAIRMAN. Be seated please and Mr. Liebeler will ask the questions.
Mr. LIEBELER. Will you state your name, sir?
Mr. FORD. Declan P. Ford....
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The CHAIRMAN. Where were you born?
Mr. FORD. Los Angeles.
The CHAIRMAN. Did you go to the public schools there?
Mr. FORD. I attended both parochial and public schools in Los Angeles and Glendale.
The CHAIRMAN. Then you went to the University of California at Los Angeles?
Mr. FORD. Right.
The CHAIRMAN. Where did you go after that. You were in the service, did you say?
Mr. FORD. I was in the service. After I got out of the service I went back to UCLA and finished my education and then went to work in the oil industry first in Bakersfield and in Los Angeles, Ventura, and then went to work for DeGollyer and McNaughton overseas.
The CHAIRMAN. I see.
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Isaac Don Levine claimed he heard about Bouhe's connection to Oswald via an in passing, confidential heads up from a stranger, Joseph B. Ford, brother of Declan Ford. Levine then gushes in his book about how he had heard all about Bouhe's Dallas accountancy career via his mother, Elsa Bouhe. Levine had translated her manuscript (in 1934), describing her five year imprisonment by Stalin. I've established tht Elsa died in 1957. BTW, Bouhe made several trips to France after WWII. The last one I found was a return through Montreal in 1959. Elsa's naturalization application states that her husband, Alexander Bouhe died in 1911. George, as George Bouchay, worked for his passage from Hamburg to NY in 1924, and sister Irene was detained for lack of a visa when she attempted to enter New York from France in 1934. An uncle, her mother Elsa's brother, was named as next of kin with an address in Paris.
Are you aware George Bouhe's sister married "Buck Freeman"? Freeman was a Princeton classmate of CIA domestic contacts chief,
Edwin "Squirrel" Ashcraft. Freeman and Ashcraft attended the same Princeton class reunions, into old age.



George Bouhe came "home" to die in the same town his sister, Ilsa Bouche Freeman resided in, Plainfield, NJ

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The most prominent member of Triangle in late 1927 when the small group toured 19 cities with their production of a show titled, "Napoleon Passes", was fellow member of Dodge's, Seay's, and Freeman's class of 1929 was Squiirrel Ashcraft, William Burke's and
Lloyd Ray's longtime boss at CIA DCS.

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In the intro of this excerpted memo, I discern Rankin's and Slawson's contempt for the right of the American people
to expect an ethical, open investigation and Warren Report, but I doubt LNs have the slightest problem with this intended suppression
Dulles partially steered Rankin and Slawson away from. The result is "rough" vs. what should have been court reporter quality documentation
of this May, 1964 WC interview of Levine.
CD Jackson and Ed Thompson of Time-Life are seen here continuing to attempt to vacuum up as much unique evidence and testimony
as possible. Ed Thompson's son was the Reader's Digest editor of Henry Hurt, financing Hurt's 1976 trip to Midland to threaten the
continued employment of Billy Joe Lord.
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Dec. 6 specially decorated Bush '41 Train engine, was Billy Joe Lord on board?
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Following are three consecutive pages of the memo introduced in the image above.





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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2019, 01:00:50 PM »
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Yes, I'm familiar with that controversy too. Ford did indeed, at least from what I read in the same account you mentioned, apparently try to get him removed. Redlich was, well, he was a leftwinger and not a liberal. He thought the Rosenbergs and Hiss were innocent. Or at least they shouldn't have been given the death penalty (which he opposed throughout his life).  As to Hiss's innocence: What was he thinking?

Re Shenon's book: it's a pretty good overview of how the WC was formed and worked.

These were honorable men in a difficult situation. Sure, legitimate criticism of the investigation can be made; it was a product made by humans: what do people make that is perfect? But the claims that they deliberately covered things up is simply not, for me, true.

Steve, here's the link to WC Executive Session of May 19, 1964. It's mostly about Norman Redlich  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login the last 10 or so pages are almost unreadable which is too bad but it increases my admiration for both Warren and McCloy while further diminishing my opinion of Russell. It's a bit long (40 readable pages) but worth the time and effort.

I completely agree there was no cover up. The very notion of leaving things out was repeatedly considered and rejected by the WC members in many instances and they were aware of the historical importance of this inquiry.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2019, 01:59:55 AM »
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If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect. Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?
A nameless staffer ::)  There is one item that was not mentioned here in this thread...motive. Vincent Bugliosi postulates that  Oswald killed JFK due to his "delusions of grandeur and that he wanted to do something that [history] would remember him 10,000 years from now". I guess this is all based on the 'Oswald diary'. There is just one problem with this claim...Oswald denied everything....so forget about that motive.
 

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2019, 02:07:34 PM »
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A nameless staffer ::)  There is one item that was not mentioned here in this thread...motive. Vincent Bugliosi postulates that  Oswald killed JFK due to his "delusions of grandeur and that he wanted to do something that [history] would remember him 10,000 years from now". I guess this is all based on the 'Oswald diary'. There is just one problem with this claim...Oswald denied everything....so forget about that motive.

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If the commission had found a conspiracy, their individual careers would soar and they'd be American heroes forever. In fact, I think one of the staffers said something to that effect. Hell, we all came to this looking for a conspiracy, didn't we?

A nameless staffer ::)

If you actually took the time to read the thread you would see the nameless staffer was named. It was Assistant counsel Burt Griffin.

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2019, 02:21:06 PM »
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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:

Norman Redlich. Redlich was a committed civil libertarian, a strong leftist in his politics (he was a vocal critic of Joe McCarthy when it wasn't easy to do), a life long opponent of the death penalty, and a supporter of Civil Rights from the start. And not a fan of Hoover's either (the two reportedly detested one another). There is no one who could argue with any sense of logic that he would join with "right wing" or "militarist" elements to coverup for the murder of JFK.

Redlich was the main author of the WC Report. He personally wrote the first six chapters including the critical chapter detailing the actual shooting. If - again if - one believes the Warren Report was a lie from start to end then you'd have to say that Redlich was a key part in producing this lie.

John Hart Ely. Ely was not an important staffer in the investigation but he did play a role in investigating Oswald's background including his childhood. It's safe to say he found no evidence of "two Oswalds". Later he went on to become one of the most influential constitutional scholars of modern times and is among the widely quoted experts on the Constitution.

I find it completely implausible that these two men would cover up for the murder of the president.

Decent men playing their part in preventing WWIII? Unthinkable!

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2019, 03:08:06 PM »
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Decent men playing their part in preventing WWIII? Unthinkable!

Yes, all decent men. I  would like to see any declassified memo that instructs them to actually engage in covering anything up.

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