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Author Topic: BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963  (Read 100049 times)

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Thanks for explaining that the purpose of fingerprint testing an object is to try to establish whether somebody has handled it. You've advanced the discussion enormously!  Thumb1:

But what conceivable difference would it make whether or not Mr Oswald had handled 2 curtain rods found in the Paine garage?

What possible reason would the contents of Oswald's wallet and other personal effects of his be checked for fingerprints?

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Offline Colin Crow

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What possible reason would the contents of Oswald's wallet and other personal effects of his be checked for fingerprints?

Well they were his at least.....the Paine rods not so. I wonder if they might be looking for possible accomplices' prints? Like on the chicken lunch sack.....oh surely not.....

Online Richard Smith

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And the importance of determining whether he handled rods in the Paine garage is?


Because Oswald told Frazier he had curtain rods in his bag which he obtained from the Paine residence!  Good grief.  If there was some evidence that Oswald actually handled curtain rods in the Paine garage, it would give some credence to his story.  Isn't that what Alan is alleging happened.  That Oswald took some curtain rods from this package.   Of course the authorities didn't believe that because there was a mountain of evidence that he took his rifle.  But checking the only curtain rods at that location was simply due diligence.  What doesn't add up is a scenario in which the authorities have successfully suppressed the curtain rods in an effort to frame Oswald KNOWING that he took them that morning, but then voluntarily bring them to light five months later to test them for his prints.  LOL.  Entirely contrary to their alleged objective to avoid linking Oswald to any curtain rods.  No one can believe that absurd narrative which is internally contradictory.  Honestly, give it some thought.  It doesn't make sense.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Of course the authorities didn't believe that because there was a mountain of evidence that he took his rifle. 

LOL

Offline John Iacoletti

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Fritz was the head of the DPD Homicide Department. Bookhout, Kelley and Holmes were not under his authority or control. Were all four of those people lying when they stated that Oswald denied the curtain rods?

Bookhout's interrogation report doesn't say that Oswald denied carrying curtain rods.  Neither does Fritz's.  Neither does Kelley's.  Neither does Holmes'.

Cherry-picking testimony from months later is disingenuous.  Especially when they kept having to be instructed to refer to their reports because their testimony kept contradicting the reports.

As for Bookhout, his report makes two contradictory claims:

"He denied bringing any package to work on the morning of November 22, 1963."

"He stated that his lunch had consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple which he had obtained at Mrs. Ruth Paine's residence in Irving, Texas, upon his leaving for work that morning."

At least one of these statements has to be false.

A clue is contained in Fritz's report:

"He said he had a cheese sandwich and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him to work and denied that he had brought the long package described by Mr. Frazier and his sister."

The problem is, we don't know how Fritz characterized "the long package described by Mr. Frazier and his sister".  That's what Oswald denied carrying.  For all we know, Fritz handed CE142 to Oswald and said "we have somebody who said you carried this to work".

That's why it's important to know exactly what was asked and exactly what the answer was, rather than summaries that were all given from memory after the fact.

Note that denying talking to Frazier about curtain rods is not the same thing as denying having curtain rods.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2019, 06:18:09 PM by John Iacoletti »

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Offline Alan Ford

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What possible reason would the contents of Oswald's wallet and other personal effects of his be checked for fingerprints?

Which contents? Which personal effects? Links, please! That way we can compare the cases. Thumb1:
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Offline Alan Ford

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Have you not read her depositions? Apparently not.

Not a peep about
a)-------------whether or not Ms Paine had been asked whether any curtain rods were missing
b)-------------any curtain rods still in place.

A bizarre omission!

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Offline Alan Ford

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Because Oswald told Frazier he had curtain rods in his bag which he obtained from the Paine residence!  Good grief.  If there was some evidence that Oswald actually handled curtain rods in the Paine garage, it would give some credence to his story.

 :D

How would Mr Oswald's fingerprints on a pair of curtain rods still in the Paine home give credence to Mr Oswald's reported story that he had taken curtain rods out of the Paine home?

Good grief.