BWF and LMR may not have been the only ones who saw LHO with a bag on 11/22/1963

[Anthony Clayden]

There is a way to make the evidence fit in regards the curtain rods, that doesn't involve to much contortion to do so (but is alas now unprovable)

Oswald gets up to go to work.
He has a lunch made by Marina but Marina is still n bed.
The lunch is in the fridge and not bagged.
Oswald does not have a bag.
Being a poor person, Oswald retrieves a bag from  the garage for his lunch, not to fussed about the size or type, just wants something to carry lunch.
This bag had curtain rods in it which he removed and placed his lunch in.
Puts oversized lunch bag in car.
Frazier asks Oswald about the bag, Oswald miss hears or misconstrues the comment to be about why the bag is so big, or what it used to contain.
(It is an unusual size for a lunch bag, and placing his lunch in a bag that used to have curtain rods is unusual. He maybe was originally going to take the curtain rods but decided against it an used the bag for his lunch.)
He mentions in an oblique way about the curtain rods to Frazier. Frazier took this to mean there were curtain rods in the bag.
Keeping in mind Oswald was likely emotionally churned following his conversation with Marina and his decision to leave the wedding band and money, and his reported lack of communicative ability in general conversation or small talk. (eg Geneva Hines comments)

[Walt Cakebread]

There is a way to make the evidence fit in regards the curtain rods, that doesn't involve to much contortion to do so (but is alas now unprovable)

Oswald gets up to go to work.
He has a lunch made by Marina but Marina is still n bed.
The lunch is in the fridge and not bagged.
Oswald does not have a bag.
Being a poor person, Oswald retrieves a bag from  the garage for his lunch, not to fussed about the size or type, just wants something to carry lunch.
This bag had curtain rods in it which he removed and placed his lunch in.
Puts oversized lunch bag in car.
Frazier asks Oswald about the bag, Oswald miss hears or misconstrues the comment to be about why the bag is so big, or what it used to contain.
(It is an unusual size for a lunch bag, and placing his lunch in a bag that used to have curtain rods is unusual. He maybe was originally going to take the curtain rods but decided against it an used the bag for his lunch.)
He mentions in an oblique way about the curtain rods to Frazier. Frazier took this to mean there were curtain rods in the bag.
Keeping in mind Oswald was likely emotionally churned following his conversation with Marina and his decision to leave the wedding band and money, and his reported lack of communicative ability in general conversation or small talk. (eg Geneva Hines comments)

Except, Frazier said that Lee said he wanted to pick up some curtain rods .....That was one of the reasons for the Thursday trip to Irving.

[Alan Ford]

While I have no problem accepting that a couple of curtain rods were found somewhere in or near the TSBD that caused someone to suspect that they might be the curtain rods that Frazier said that Lee told him he had in the flimsy brown paper sack that morning.

And I suspect that it was a TSBD employee like Harold Norman, or Bonnie Ray Williams ( just as an example) who discovered them and told SS agent Howlett that he knew where some curtain rod were hidden. 

How could anybody know if they were curtain rods missing from the Paines garage....??   Ruth Paine may have been able to state the number of curtain rods that she had stored in the garage but ... Who could verify that number was accurate??   

"Were any curtain rods missing from Mrs Paine's garage?"

How could the answer be established with 100% certainty?   

But! We can state with 100% certainty that, had Ms Paine asserted with any degree of confidence that no curtain rods were missing after the assassination, much hay would have been made of this fact by the authorities. 'Proof that Oswald lied...', etc.

Instead we get------up until Ms Paine's WC appearances------not a single reference in the official record to this elementary question's even having been asked by DPD, FBI or SS.

Speaks volumes---especially when put together with the documentary proof we have that 2 curtain rods other than the 2 taken from the Paine garage on 23 March were tested for Mr Oswald's prints!

 

[Alan Ford]

There is a way to make the evidence fit in regards the curtain rods, that doesn't involve to much contortion to do so (but is alas now unprovable)

Oswald gets up to go to work.
He has a lunch made by Marina but Marina is still n bed.
The lunch is in the fridge and not bagged.
Oswald does not have a bag.
Being a poor person, Oswald retrieves a bag from  the garage for his lunch, not to fussed about the size or type, just wants something to carry lunch.
This bag had curtain rods in it which he removed and placed his lunch in.

How does this make the evidence fit in? We have 2 curtain rods, origin unstated, being tested for Mr Oswald's prints at the same time as 2 curtain rods still on a shelf in the Paine garage!

The logical and straightforward explanation is that Mr Oswald took 2 curtain rods from Ms Paine's garage that morning, and they turned up in the Depository at some point after the assassination. (Why else would they have been fingerprinted?)

 

[Walt Cakebread]

How does this make the evidence fit in? We have 2 curtain rods, origin unstated, being tested for Mr Oswald's prints at the same time as 2 curtain rods still on a shelf in the Paine garage!

The logical and straightforward explanation is that Mr Oswald took 2 curtain rods from Ms Paine's garage that morning, and they turned up in the Depository at some point after the assassination. (Why else would they have been fingerprinted?)

 

How do we know that thee weren't six or eight or a dozen curtain rods in the Paines garage??.....   Isn't it possible that Marina had curtain rods ....she did decorate several apartments during the year before the assassination....

I'm simply asking HOW can we determine the number of curtain rods in the Paine garage?

[Alan Ford]

How do we know that thee weren't six or eight or a dozen curtain rods in the Paines garage??.....   Isn't it possible that Marina had curtain rods ....she did decorate several apartments during the year before the assassination....

I'm simply asking HOW can we determine the number of curtain rods in the Paine garage?

We need only determine the state of play as of 7.30pm on 23 March 1964:
-------------2 white enameled curtain rods in Lieutenant Day's lab (reason for being there: testing for Mr Oswald's prints)
-------------1 white & 1 cream enameled curtain rod in the Paine garage.

The anachronistic fact that the latter were named 'Ruth Paine Exhibit 275' and 'Ruth Paine Exhibit 276' eight days after the former had been submitted with the notation 'marked 275 & 276' gives away the WC's switcheroo!

[Walt Cakebread]

We need only determine the state of play as of 7.30pm on 23 March 1964:
-------------2 white enameled curtain rods in Lieutenant Day's lab (reason for being there: testing for Mr Oswald's prints)
-------------1 white & 1 cream enameled curtain rod in the Paine garage.

The anachronistic fact that the latter were named 'Ruth Paine Exhibit 275' and 'Ruth Paine Exhibit 276' eight days after the former had been submitted with the notation 'marked 275 & 276' gives away the WC's switcheroo!

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/06/curtain-rods.html



I believe that there was deception and skulduggery being performed by the Warren Commission's agent, Mr.  Howlett....  The same liar that demonstrated how Lee Oswald could have hastily dumped the eight pound carcano with a bulky scope mounted on it behind the boxes near the top of the stairs on the sixth floor ...while using a light piece of 1 X 3 as a substitute for the carcano.   

Not only was Howett using a grossly inaccurate substitute for the carcano ....He didn't even attempt to place it at place the carcano was actually discovered by Seymour Weitzman and Eugene Boone....   They discovered the carcano lying on the floor beneath a wooden pallet ( Weitzman referred to it as a "flat") and that flat was 15 feet 4 inches from the north wall....or about a foot and a half further south than the place where Howlett inserted that small light weight piece of 1X3 between some boxes of books.