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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Marina's Camera....The Backyard Pictures Revisited
« on: February 24, 2019, 11:45:30 AM »
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...How would she [Marina] forget that she held the camera at waist level? The Imperial reflex is operated like a Hasselblad, not like a 35mm eye level camera, and unlike the Hasselblad does not have an eye view finder. She said she held it to up her eyes. She should also have remembered that the image in the camera was upside down, which it is in a reflex camera. Both very hard to forget.
The Marina 'testimony' regarding the Backyard camera was a fiasco. Marina lied to the Warren Commission with their blessing. Then, when she 'testified' to the HSCA she told a completely contradictory lie.
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Mr. RANKIN. Do you recall the day that you took the picture of him with the rifle and the pistol?
Mrs. OSWALD. ... I can't say exactly. Because I didn't attach any significance to it at the time. That was the only time I took any pictures. I don't know how to take pictures. He gave me a camera and asked me someone should ask me how to photograph, I don't know.
Mr. RANKIN. You have examined that picture since, and noticed that the telescopic lens was on at the time the picture was taken, have you not?
 Mrs. OSWALD. Now I paid attention to it. A specialist would see it immediately, of course. But at that time I did not pay any attention at all
 
If this is solid testimony...I'm a monkey's uncle. There is an hour or so and umpteen+ bunches of scraps and notes that were written by Oswald in Russian [that said nothing apparently] and were entered into evidence along with Oswald's pants, sweaters, underwear, etc by the chief counsel. Rankin coddled his witness knowing that she was willingly falsifying just about everything she said.
Rankin didn't seem to want to pursue or didn't seem interested with certainty in the identity of the camera that was used to take the photos of the 'armed Oswald'.
Rankin entered into exhibit CE-114..as Oswald's binoculars that he used in the Walker shooting. There was no evidence of that. Even Marina stated that she 'didn't know'.
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Mr. THORNE. Exhibit 136 is a camera contained within a leather case.
Mrs. OSWALD. This is a Russian camera.
Mr. RANKIN. Is that the camera you used to take the pictures you have referred to?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember exactly whether it was an American camera or this.
Mr. RANKIN. But this was one of your cameras, or your husband's cameras?
Mrs. OSWALD. My husband's camera.
Mr. RANKIN. I offer in evidence Exhibit 136.
The CHAIRMAN. It may be admitted.
Why was CE-136 admitted into evidence? [As if it qualified as the backyard camera]
Maybe it was lost in translation but Marina said she never operated a camera before and she "didn't attach any significance to it at the time."
Where is there any mention of CE-750 in this testimony...the twin lens reflex camera?
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Re: Marina's Camera....The Backyard Pictures Revisited
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2019, 04:03:24 PM »
The Marina 'testimony' regarding the Backyard camera was a fiasco. Marina lied to the Warren Commission with their blessing. Then, when she 'testified' to the HSCA she told a completely contradictory lie. 
If this is solid testimony...I'm a monkey's uncle. There is an hour or so and umpteen+ bunches of scraps and notes that were written by Oswald in Russian [that said nothing apparently] and were entered into evidence along with Oswald's pants, sweaters, underwear, etc by the chief counsel. Rankin coddled his witness knowing that she was willingly falsifying just about everything she said.
Rankin didn't seem to want to pursue or didn't seem interested with certainty in the identity of the camera that was used to take the photos of the 'armed Oswald'.
Rankin entered into exhibit CE-114..as Oswald's binoculars that he used in the Walker shooting. There was no evidence of that. Even Marina stated that she 'didn't know'.Why was CE-136 admitted into evidence? [As if it qualified as the backyard camera]
Maybe it was lost in translation but Marina said she never operated a camera before and she "didn't attach any significance to it at the time."
Where is there any mention of CE-750 in this testimony...the Japanese twin lens reflex camera?

Hi Jerry.....I just finished reading a book entitled "BETRAYAL" By David Alan Johnson. ( He's obviously not related to Lynin Bastroid Johnson)

An excellent true story about German Saboteurs who landed in New Jersey in 1942.   The leader had no intention of sabotaging anything....George Dasch the leader wanted to get to the American authorities ASAP and report the operation.   Which he did.... Unfortunately J.Edgar Hoover wanted to be recognized as uncovering the plot and didn't want anybody to know that George Dasch had simply handed him the whole story, so Hoover, after rounding up the crew of saboteurs had six of them executed, and he had the other two ( Dasch and Burger ) locked away in solitary confinement where they couldn't tell the true story.   

Hoover's finger prints are all over this interrogation of Marina ......And she was putty in his hands.

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Re: Marina's Camera....The Backyard Pictures Revisited
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 03:05:01 AM »
  [After further review] the twin lens camera was American made.
http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Imperial
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Re: Marina's Camera....The Backyard Pictures Revisited
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 05:34:28 AM »

Yes, she was quite wrong, and that what makes it so suspicious. Of course you would remember if you had to look down at an upside down image.
My point was that it is NOT upside-down. It is just switched right-left, which is not that obvious.

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 02:34:56 PM »
My point was that it is NOT upside-down. It is just switched right-left, which is not that obvious.
Again....A mirror was utilized to keep the image from inverting. I also found the Marina statement about the twin lens camera FBI statement CE 1788 http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf
[If you want to call that 'testimony'] Recall that Marina said that she took one picture of the 'armed Oswald' ..two showed up for the Commission Report and then a third one for the HSCA hearing. The camera used type 620 film which contained up to 12 exposures. What was done with the other 9 exposures? No family pictures. No baby pictures. No pictures at the park :-\

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2019, 04:11:25 PM »
Again....A mirror was utilized to keep the image from inverting. I also found the Marina statement about the twin lens camera FBI statement CE 1788 http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf
[If you want to call that 'testimony'] Recall that Marina said that she took one picture of the 'armed Oswald' ..two showed up for the Commission Report and then a third one for the HSCA hearing.
If you accept Marina's admission that she burned the prints of the backyard photos, that ends the controversy over whether they were forged (if the negative of CE133B doesn't end it by itself).  There are only two possibilities:
 
1. Marina was part of the conspiracy to frame Oswald by lying about taking the backyard photographs that she knew she had not taken but had been doctored to show Oswald with the murder weapons or
2.  Marina was telling the truth that they were undoctored photos taken by her.   

If 1 is true, it would make no sense for her to burn copies of the photographs as Marguerite requested.

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The camera used type 620 film which contained up to 12 exposures. What was done with the other 9 exposures? No family pictures. No baby pictures. No pictures at the park :-\
Maybe the same roll of film was used for the other "backyard" photos - the ones Oswald took of General Walker's back yard.   They were taken by the same Imperial Reflex 620 camera based the edge detail of the Walker photograph matching that of Oswald's camera.

How do you know that Oswald's camera took 12 photos on a roll of 620 film?  I had an old Kodak accordian type fold-out camera that used 620 film and I could get only 8 photographs per roll.  They were nice large negatives though.
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Re: Marina's Camera....The Backyard Pictures Revisited
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2019, 04:31:58 PM »
Again....A mirror was utilized to keep the image from inverting. I also found the Marina statement about the twin lens camera FBI statement CE 1788 http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf
[If you want to call that 'testimony'] Recall that Marina said that she took one picture of the 'armed Oswald' ..two showed up for the Commission Report and then a third one for the HSCA hearing. The camera used type 620 film which contained up to 12 exposures. What was done with the other 9 exposures? No family pictures. No baby pictures. No pictures at the park :-\

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf

So she snapped the shutter twice without advancing the film....and took two different photos....How's that possible?

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 05:17:47 PM »
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/pdf/WH23_CE_1788.pdf

So she snapped the shutter twice without advancing the film....and took two different photos....How's that possible?
If she didn't understand how to work the camera, maybe Oswald advanced the film for her.  Or maybe she figured it out, advanced the film but forgot that she had done that.   And she obviously took at least 3 photos since 133c is a different photo taken at the same time.