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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2019, 08:26:35 PM »


Thanks for posting the scribbled notes of FBI Agent James Hosty....( can you post all of his scribbled notes ?)   

After reading Hosty's notes I believe that he's saying that Lee said that he went outside to watch the parade and he ( Lee) wasn't even aware that JFK had been murdered when he left the lunchroom after the Baker Truly Encounter.  IOW.... Lee was unaware of the shooting until he got outside....

So Mr Oswald had a cop put a pistol to his gut and ask him if he worked there, and shortly after this had Mrs Reid tell him, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him", and then went outside thinking he was going to catch the Presidential parade?

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2019, 08:30:16 PM »
Thanks for posting the scribbled notes of FBI Agent James Hosty....( can you post all of his scribbled notes ?)   
I've never seen this notes before.  Is there a link? I know that he had written a book.
 

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2019, 08:47:05 PM »
So Mr Oswald had a cop put a pistol to his gut and ask him if he worked there, and shortly after this had Mrs Reid tell him, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him", and then went outside thinking he was going to catch the Presidential parade?

Alan....May I remind you that your using the testimony that was extracted from Mrs Reid....   We have no real absolute proof that Mrs reid actually saw Lee Oswald and said to him "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him",
I'll grant that is what she stated in her testimony ....But that doesn't prove that she did not make it up out of thin air on the afternoon of the assassination.

It could have been nothing but an innocuous remark by Mrs Reid, which she intended as an insertion of herself into the scene. Many people ( particularly older women ) like to embroidery and place themselves near an exciting event...  Mrs Reid could easily have said..." My goodness...He walked right past me just a couple of minutes after the shooting.   I didn't suspect that he had just shot JFK, when I said . Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him",

But once she said that she couldn't very well say....."Oh, I just made that up for the girls in the office".....

Belin NEEDED mrs Reid's testimony....and he wasn't about to challenge her....in fact he encouraged her.....
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ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2019, 08:53:36 PM »
Alan....May I remind you that your using the testimony that was extracted from Mrs Reid....   We have no real absolute proof that Mrs reid actually saw Lee Oswald and said to him "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him",
I'll grant that is what she stated in her testimony ....But that doesn't prove that she made it up out of thin air on the afternoon of the assassination.

It could have been nothing but an innocuous remark by Mrs Reid, which she intended as an insertion of herself into the scene. Many people ( particularly older women ) like to embroidery and place themselves near an exciting event...  Mrs Reid could easily have said..." My goodness...He walked right past me just a couple of minutes after the shooting.   I didn't suspect that he had just shot JFK, when I said . Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him",

But once she said that she couldn't very well say....."Oh, I just made that up for the girls in the office".....

Belin NEEDED mrs Reid's testimony....and he wasn't about to challenge her....in fact he encouraged her.....


Walt ignores that Karen Westbrook told Fagin in her 6th Floor Museum interview that she witnessed Mrs Reid tell the other detained employees in the 2nd floor office corral that she had seen Oswald come from the lunch room with a Coke...This was only minutes after it had happened...

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2019, 09:10:52 PM »
So Mr Oswald had a cop put a pistol to his gut and ask him if he worked there, and shortly after this had Mrs Reid tell him, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him", and then went outside thinking he was going to catch the Presidential parade?
Not really in evidence that one event was prior to the other.
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Mr. BELIN. And then you went through your actions, what you saw, your conversations that you had, and your actions in going back into the building and up to the point that you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.
Mr. BELIN. When you--you saw me start the stopwatch and you saw me stop it there, right?
Mrs. REID. Yes.[/b]
Mr. BELIN. When you met in the lunchroom--
Mrs. REID. I didn't meet him in the lunchroom.

  Seems there that Oswald was just wandering around from the first floor to the second. Belin couldn't accept it. All those [joined at the hip with the Report] can't accept it.
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BELIN. Was the coke full or empty?
Drinking an empty bottle?

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2019, 09:28:54 PM »

Walt ignores that Karen Westbrook told Fagin in her 6th Floor Museum interview that she witnessed Mrs Reid tell the other detained employees in the 2nd floor office corral that she had seen Oswald come from the lunch room with a Coke...This was only minutes after it had happened...

The question remains....Did someone witness Mrs Reid and Lee Oswald passing and did they hear her say anything to Lee??

Lee was the other party and he definitely could have used another incident to support his alibi.....  Bu Lee never mentioned any such encounter.....But he did remember meeting a man who was seeking a telephone....

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2019, 09:37:55 PM »
Not really in evidence that one event was prior to the other.
  Seems there that Oswald was just wandering around from the first floor to the second. Belin couldn't accept it. All those [joined at the hip with the Report] can't accept it.  Drinking an empty bottle?
Drinking an empty bottle?

That was simply a slimy lawyers trick to call attention to the bottle of coke to lend credibility to Mrs Reid's story.....

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2019, 11:31:59 PM »
So you support Mr Von Pea Brain in his stance that the lead from the core of a jacketed bullet will have the grooves from the rifling in the barrel of the rifle from which the bullet was fired ....and therefore the tiny pieces of lead core that were found in the Limo could be traced to the rifle....

I never have said that the TINY little fragments of bullet (which were found under Nellie Connally's seat) "could be traced to the rifle". I've never implied any such ludicrous thing. But the two larger fragments found in the front seat of the limo both had enough of the copper jacket attached to them so that the FBI could positively link both fragments to the C2766 rifle. [See the pics in the article below.]

Cakebread loses again.......as per the norm.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/09/ce567-and-ce569.html
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #58 on: February 22, 2019, 11:52:49 PM »
Of course we know that the timeline did not allow for LHO to have the time to get the change out of his pocket and get a coke out of the coke machine and then be standing there calm with a coke in his hand while Baker has a gun pointing at him . The hits just keep on coming !

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2019, 12:02:46 AM »
I've never seen this notes before.  Is there a link? I know that he had written a book.
You will grow old awaiting responsiveness from Walt.... but to be fair, the original source link he likely obtained the note image excerpt
he posted is probably verboten to post on this forum.
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Assignment: Oswald
By James P. Hosty, Thomas Hosty


http://www.jfklancer.com/Hosty_Notes.html
http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/hostynotes_LHO.gif

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