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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #160 on: February 27, 2019, 09:53:23 PM »
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You shot JFK from the sixth floor, but you've been nabbed in a movie theater. The police captain is now grilling you. What do you tell him about where you were when JFK was shot?

Easy! You work with what you've got:
-----------a sighting way down on the second floor by your bossman and a police officer
-----------a sighting seconds later by a lady who works in the big office.

'I was in the lunchroom on the second floor the whole time. First thing I knew anything was wrong was when a police officer came bursting in. Ask my boss, Mr Truly, he'll confirm what I'm saying. And just after that I spoke with a lady in the big office. Mrs Reed I think her name is. Talk to her.'

What you don't do is look a gift horse in the mouth by saying
---------------nothing about a confrontation with a police officer down in the lunchroom straight after the shooting
---------------not a blessed word about 'Mrs Reed'
---------------'Uh, I'd gone outside to watch the Presidential Parade'.

Bookhout & co's big mistake was not that they put words in the dead Mr Oswald's mouth but that they invented words so self-incriminatingly stupid as to give their squalid little game away.

What they should have done was have the dead Mr Oswald say, 'I don't have to tell you anything about where I was. This is political harassment on account of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I demand a shower. My lawyer will consider your keeping me here like this a violation of my hygiene rights'.

Shudda kept it simple, guys!  Thumb1:

Alan you're using 20/20 hindsight.....

What do you tell him about where you were when JFK was shot?

Nobody said anything to Lee about being a suspect in the murder of JFK....  Read the notes....


Easy! You work with what you've got:
-----------a sighting way down on the second floor by your bossman and a police officer


Why would Lee present an alibi for something that he's not been accused of?


-----------a sighting seconds later by a lady who works in the big office.

A lady that if she had seen and talked to Lee could provide an alibi .... But Lee doesn't even mention Mrs Reid.  and that's a pretty strong indication that there was no meeting or encounter in the office area.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #161 on: February 27, 2019, 10:12:55 PM »
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This fact that Mrs Reid could not accurately describe the clothing that Lee was wearing when Baker and Truly saw him in the lunchroom just a couple of minutes earlier than Mrs Reid's alleged sighting of Lee Oswald. (Baker said that Lee was wearing a brown shirt or Jacket),so Mrs Reid's description should be enough to cause an alert student to question the validity of Mrs Reid's statement.

Actually it was the man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor who Baker said was wearing a brown jacket.

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« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2019, 10:43:25 PM »
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Actually it was the man walking away from the stairway on the 3rd or 4th floor who Baker said was wearing a brown jacket.

Thank you, That's correct .....  But Baker DID see Lee Oswald in the second floor lunchroom as well as the man who was walking away from the stairs on an upper floor.

I simply can't recall if Baker ever attested to the clothing that Lee was wearing when he saw him calmly drinking a Coca-Cola in the second floor lunchroom.

 

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« Reply #162 on: February 27, 2019, 10:43:25 PM »

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #163 on: February 28, 2019, 12:06:39 AM »
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Easy! You work with what you've got:
-----------a sighting way down on the second floor by your bossman and a police officer


Why would Lee present an alibi for something that he's not been accused of?

As I've suggested before,
-------------Mr Oswald was asked in that first interrogation where he'd been at the time of the shooting, and his answer (out watching the parade) stunned them
-------------from this point forth, he was grilled on the rifle and on Tippit, and given the impression that he was suspected not of having personally shot JFK but of having been in on the assassination. (This last was done to Messrs Frazier and Molina as well.)

The first wind he got of a direct accusation of having been the actual shooter was "when the reporters in the hall axed [him] that question". He knew that the accusation was utterly absurd, and assumed the press had simply gotten the wrong end of the stick.

Why didn't he shout to the pressmen, "I was out on the front steps!"? Those asking this question need to ask themselves why he didn't shout, "I was down on the second floor! My boss saw me there!"

Having been kept in the dark by Fritz, he had no idea that the need for an alibi even arose. Any more than he knew that he wouldn't be leaving the weekend alive.


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-----------a sighting seconds later by a lady who works in the big office.

A lady that if she had seen and talked to Lee could provide an alibi .... But Lee doesn't even mention Mrs Reid.  and that's a pretty strong indication that there was no meeting or encounter in the office area.

Correct! But Mrs Reid was fed to DPD by Mr Truly. Her fiction supported his.

There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter. That it became such a great fetish of CTers helps explain why Mr Oswald's true whereabouts at the time of the shooting are only emerging in recent years! (The other great factor was that any suggestion Mr Oswald was out front became associated with the barmy Oswald-In-Altgens army. When Prayer Man came along, the comfort-zone CTers straight out refused to give it a fair hearing. They still do!)

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ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #164 on: February 28, 2019, 12:55:04 AM »
The white T-shirt Oswald that Mrs Reid saw wasn't the same Oswald who was interrogated at the police station...

That's why the "Oswald" who was interrogated never mentioned seeing Mrs Reid...

Rock solid evidence of the two Oswald's at the Depository that gets ignored by those pretending to do honest debate of assassination evidence...
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« Reply #165 on: February 28, 2019, 08:24:02 PM »
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As I've suggested before,
-------------Mr Oswald was asked in that first interrogation where he'd been at the time of the shooting, and his answer (out watching the parade) stunned them
-------------from this point forth, he was grilled on the rifle and on Tippit, and given the impression that he was suspected not of having personally shot JFK but of having been in on the assassination. (This last was done to Messrs Frazier and Molina as well.)

The first wind he got of a direct accusation of having been the actual shooter was "when the reporters in the hall axed [him] that question". He knew that the accusation was utterly absurd, and assumed the press had simply gotten the wrong end of the stick.

Why didn't he shout to the pressmen, "I was out on the front steps!"? Those asking this question need to ask themselves why he didn't shout, "I was down on the second floor! My boss saw me there!"

Having been kept in the dark by Fritz, he had no idea that the need for an alibi even arose. Any more than he knew that he wouldn't be leaving the weekend alive.


Correct! But Mrs Reid was fed to DPD by Mr Truly. Her fiction supported his.

There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter. That it became such a great fetish of CTers helps explain why Mr Oswald's true whereabouts at the time of the shooting are only emerging in recent years! (The other great factor was that any suggestion Mr Oswald was out front became associated with the barmy Oswald-In-Altgens army. When Prayer Man came along, the comfort-zone CTers straight out refused to give it a fair hearing. They still do!)

There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter. That it became such a great fetish of CTers helps explain why Mr Oswald's true whereabouts at the time of the shooting are only emerging in recent years! (The other great factor was that any suggestion Mr Oswald was out front became associated with the barmy Oswald-In-Altgens army. When Prayer Man came along, the comfort-zone CTers straight out refused to give it a fair hearing. They still do!)


Alan, You have posted the scribbled notes of the interrogation of Lee Oswald, so you certainly must know that both the accused ( Lee Oswald)... and the accuser( The State, represented by Marrion Baker)  were in total agreement that they had met in the second floor lunchroom just seconds after the shots were fired.   

So how can you say that it didn't happen?

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #166 on: February 28, 2019, 09:46:09 PM »
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There was no post-assassination lunchroom encounter. That it became such a great fetish of CTers helps explain why Mr Oswald's true whereabouts at the time of the shooting are only emerging in recent years! (The other great factor was that any suggestion Mr Oswald was out front became associated with the barmy Oswald-In-Altgens army. When Prayer Man came along, the comfort-zone CTers straight out refused to give it a fair hearing. They still do!)


Alan, You have posted the scribbled notes of the interrogation of Lee Oswald, so you certainly must know that both the accused ( Lee Oswald)... and the accuser( The State, represented by Marrion Baker)  were in total agreement that they had met in the second floor lunchroom just seconds after the shots were fired.   

So how can you say that it didn't happen?

Already explained, Mr Cakebread!

The 'Fritz' notes are not Fritz's own scribbled notes of the interrogation of Mr Oswald. They are Fritz's scribbled notes of Agent Bookhout's version of what Mr Oswald said in custody
----------the same Agent Bookhout who suppressed Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the 2nd fl lunchroom before the assassination and gone "outside to watch P. Parade"
----------the same Agent Bookhout who put an absurd claimed timeline into Mr Oswald's mouth.

Geddit now?  ::)

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« Reply #167 on: February 28, 2019, 09:55:28 PM »
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Already explained, Mr Cakebread!

The 'Fritz' notes are not Fritz's own scribbled notes of the interrogation of Mr Oswald. They are Fritz's scribbled notes of Agent Bookhout's version of what Mr Oswald said in custody
----------the same Agent Bookhout who suppressed Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the 2nd fl lunchroom before the assassination and gone "outside to watch P. Parade"
----------the same Agent Bookhout who put an absurd claimed timeline into Mr Oswald's mouth.

Geddit now?  ::)


All this depends on ignoring that Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room at 12:25, making the suggestion that Oswald went down to the front steps right after Carolyn Arnold's witnessing very unlikely...

The majority JFK research world are suckers because they don't see evidence hackers Sean Murphy and Peg Barker needing to get rid of the 2nd floor lunch room encounter because they were aware the real evidence made Oswald being Prayer Man very unlikely...

Ford just ignores the technical photographic evidence we have proven that shows Prayer Man is Depository employee Sarah Stanton...

I just watched Buell Frazier's 6th Floor Museum interview with Fagin...At 33:48 Frazier is referring to speaking to Sarah and when recounting it he gestures with his right hand as if Sarah was over to his right...
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« Reply #168 on: February 28, 2019, 09:59:47 PM »
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Already explained, Mr Cakebread!

The 'Fritz' notes are not Fritz's own scribbled notes of the interrogation of Mr Oswald. They are Fritz's scribbled notes of Agent Bookhout's version of what Mr Oswald said in custody
----------the same Agent Bookhout who suppressed Mr Oswald's claim to have visited the 2nd fl lunchroom before the assassination and gone "outside to watch P. Parade"
----------the same Agent Bookhout who put an absurd claimed timeline into Mr Oswald's mouth.

Geddit now?  ::)

Yes...I understand that you think Fritz copied Bookhout's notes.... But I think that you've been smokin some funny tobacco...  One glance at Fritz disorganized, truncated, scribbling would be enough to convince any rational person that Fritz jotted those notes as he heard Lee's replies.....

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« Reply #169 on: April 28, 2019, 02:12:55 AM »
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Thank you for your clear answer, Mr von Pein!  Thumb1:

If Mr Oswald did indeed indeed confirm the 2nd floor lunchroom incident, then how do we explain this from Agent Hosty?



Did Mr Oswald tell Captain Fritz he went to the 2nd fl lunchroom to buy a coke, came downstairs to eat his lunch, went out front to watch the parade, then (just after the shooting) went to the 2nd fl lunchroom to buy a coke, came downstairs to eat his lunch, went out front?




THe penmanship appears to be the same.....

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan
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