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Offline David Von Pein

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2019, 11:17:26 PM »
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But we had to get rid of that soda stuff..it just didn't look good.

But they couldn't just simply TEAR UP AND THROW AWAY the original affidavit that says "drinking a Coke" and write up a new one, could they? No, they wanted to KEEP that document (and not even cross out the word "Coke" entirely, which was another possibility if they wanted to HIDE the Coke).

You CTers need a new hobby. This one is just too embarrassing for you guys now.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2019, 11:19:37 PM »
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Is that handwritten affidavit supposed to be hand written BY Baker himself? Or did someone else write it for him to sign?

It was very likely written by an FBI agent.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2019, 11:27:12 PM »
FRITZ: Okay, son, so you admit one of our men saw you in the lunchroom on the second floor?

OSWALD: Naturally if I was in the lunchroom at that time, yes, sir.

FRITZ: What were you doing there?

OSWALD: I had just bought a Coca Cola from the machine they have in there.

FRITZ: What did the officer say to you?

OSWALD: Well, he put a pistol up to my stomach and said 'Do you work here?' I told him I did, and my boss Mr Truly told him I was telling the truth.

FRITZ: What happened next?

OSWALD: Well, they went racing up the stairs.

FRITZ: What did you do then?

OSWALD: Well, I figured the policeman had given me a warning not to miss the President's visit. He and Mr Truly sure looked real keen to get upstairs for a good view of the parade themselves. So I brought my Coca Cola downstairs and went outside to watch the parade.

FRITZ: Did you speak to anyone on the way down?

OSWALD: Yes, sir. As I was going through the office towards the front stairway, a woman who works up there said to me, 'The President should be shot! But I hope they don't kill him.'

FRITZ: What did you say to her?

OSWALD: Oh nothing. I just muttered 'Crazy damn fascist' under my breath. Then I went downstairs and out front.

FRITZ: Let me get this clear, son. You're saying you went outside to watch the Presidential Parade?

OSWALD: Yes, sir. I went out on to the front steps.

FRITZ: What did you see when you got out onto the steps?

OSWALD: Well, it looked like people were real unhappy about the President coming to town. There was screaming and hollering and crying.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2019, 11:27:12 PM »

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2019, 11:35:27 PM »
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      I thought the strangest language used was when Baker wrote/said, "I had entered the building in an effort to determine if the shots might have come FROM this building". This phrasing gives the impression that Baker felt the shots might have been fired from INSIDE the TSBD.  Officer Baker's story has always been that he saw pigeons flying from the TOP of the TSBD after he heard the shots and he then assumed that the shots had been fired from the Roof of the TSBD. The phrasing being used in this statement is an attempt to make the reader believe that Office Baker entered the TSBD believing that shots had been fired from INSIDE the TSBD.

Dear Royell,

Do you think the flock of pigeons might have been motivated to suddenly leave the roof due to a gun's being fired from the sixth floor (think shockwave and loud sound), or only by its being fired from the roof, itself, or perhaps from somewhere else in Dealey Plaza?

If you had been Baker, would you have thought the shots must have come from the roof?

Taking the above questions into consideration, how would you have written that statement if you had been Baker?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2019, 11:38:14 PM »
Question to those who believe the 2nd floor lunchroom incident involving Mr Oswald, Officer Baker and Mr Truly really happened!

Do you believe that Mr Oswald confirmed this incident to Captain Fritz?

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2019, 11:38:14 PM »

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2019, 11:38:39 PM »
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But they couldn't just simply TEAR UP AND THROW AWAY the original affidavit that says "drinking a Coke" and write up a new one, could they? No, they wanted to KEEP that document (and not even cross out the word "Coke" entirely, which was another possibility if they wanted to HIDE the Coke).

You CTers need a new hobby. This one is just too embarrassing for you guys now.

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But they couldn't just simply TEAR UP AND THROW AWAY the original affidavit that says "drinking a Coke" and write up a new one, could they?

Bravo!!...  Great acting Von Pea brain....   Or are you acting?....  Perhaps you really are this dumb... Any person of average intelligence can see that the whole idea behind the affidavit was to expunge the statements that Baker had spoken on 11/22/63....

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2019, 11:48:38 PM »
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But they couldn't just simply TEAR UP AND THROW AWAY the original affidavit that says "drinking a Coke" and write up a new one, could they?

Bravo!!...  Great acting Von Pea brain....   Or are you acting?....  Perhaps you really are this dumb... Any person of average intelligence can see that the whole idea behind the affidavit was to expunge the statements that Baker had spoken on 11/22/63....

Provide me with a link that says Officer Baker (on 11/22/63) uttered the words "I saw Oswald drinking a Coke".

You won't be able to do that. But good luck trying.
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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2019, 11:51:47 PM »
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Question to those who believe the 2nd floor lunchroom incident involving Mr Oswald, Officer Baker and Mr Truly really happened!

Do you believe that Mr Oswald confirmed this incident to Captain Fritz?


Yes, of course he did.

Oswald knew he couldn't lie his way out of that question like he did with so many others that Fritz asked him. Oswald knew there were TWO other people who would confirm where the "encounter" took place, so he admitted it to Fritz.

Plus, he admitted it because he knew that just because he was in the lunchroom a minute or two after the shooting, that didn't have to mean he was the assassin. So he felt comfortable telling the truth (for once).

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2019, 11:51:47 PM »

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2019, 11:51:58 PM »
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But they couldn't just simply TEAR UP AND THROW AWAY the original affidavit that says "drinking a Coke" and write up a new one, could they?

Bravo!!...  Great acting Von Pea brain....   Or are you acting?....  Perhaps you really are this dumb... Any person of average intelligence can see that the whole idea behind the affidavit was to expunge the statements that Baker had spoken on 11/22/63....

Dear Walter,

LOL

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2019, 12:18:32 AM »
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Dear Royell,

Do you think the flock of pigeons might have been motivated to suddenly leave the roof due to a gun's being fired from the sixth floor (think shockwave and loud sound), or only by its being fired from the roof, itself, or perhaps from somewhere else in Dealey Plaza?

If you had been Baker, would you have thought the shots must have come from the roof?

Taking the above questions into consideration, how would you have written that statement if you had been Baker?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

    I am Not questioning Baker's thinking shots might have come from the roof. I am questioning why the statement is worded in a way to avoid publicizing that a law enforcement officer thought the shot(s) originated from an even Higher source than the 6th floor. There has always been speculation of shot(s) being fired from the ROOF of the Records Bld and/or the Dal Tex Bld.
    One thing I do find strange is Officer Baker choosing to turn the corner onto Elm and then run across the Elm St Extension. If he had thought that shots were being fired from the roof of the TSBD, why not drive the motorcycle Straight Ahead to the curb in front of the TSBD and then run Straight into the TSBD?
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