Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Author Topic: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?  (Read 5980 times)

Online Thomas Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
For purposes of cross referencing the people in this photo (Altgens-6) with those in the Zapruder film, let it be noted that we can see hard hat-wearing A. J. Millican in both, and that in the Z-film there seems to be a woman in a blue raincoat between Unger's and Roberdau's "Jane Berry" and "Maggie Brown,"  who can also be (barely) seen wearing a light-colored headscarf in Betzner-3 and/or Willis-5, just like my little "June" Dishong is wearing in full-frame Altgens-6.



Fwiw, "June" seems to have been Dishong's nickname. Her true full name was Mrs. Inez Juanita Hart Dishong (Dishong's an old English surname), and she was born around 1909 in Minnesota. She was apparently married to Ralph E. Dishong and was living in Irving,Texas, at the time of the assassination.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 07:16:07 AM by Thomas Graves »

JFK Assassination Forum


Offline James Hackerott

  • Jr. Member
  • **

  • This Member Has Made
    A Forum Donation!
  • Posts: 99
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 07:41:26 PM »
Thomas,
Would you kindly please explain why you replace Dishong.classic for this newer version? For so long she was noted on Roberdeau's map as being next to Karan Westbrook, but we know that is not right. Dishong's same day journal entry indicates she wore a jacket to the parade, and then latter removed it. The Cabluck photo shows that  jacket hanging from her left arm. Your Dishong.new is wearing a long coat. Here is Don's announcement on alt.conspiracy.jfk some 15 years ago.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


Online Thomas Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 02:15:36 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Thomas,
Would you kindly please explain why you replace Dishong.classic for this newer version? For so long she was noted on Roberdeau's map as being next to Karan Westbrook, but we know that is not right. Dishong's same day journal entry indicates she wore a jacket to the parade, and then latter removed it. The Cabluck photo shows that  jacket hanging from her left arm. Your Dishong.new is wearing a long coat. Here is Don's announcement on alt.conspiracy.jfk some 15 years ago.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

James,

Thanks for asking.

IIRC, I did some googling about a year ago and found on a genealogy website (or a people-finder website or some-such thing) an "Inez Juanita Hart Dishong, born about 1909" who was living in, or had lived in, Irving, Texas (she died in 1998 and would have been around 53 years old at the time of the assassination). You can probably find a link to that source and/or the info contained therein in a post I made at the time at the EF.

Anyway, I intuited that "Inez" and "Juanita" were probably Hispanic names, and based on that, I intuited that she was probably fairly short in stature, both of which "My Dishong" appears to be in Altgens-6. I also intuited that "June" was her more Anglo-sounding nickname. ("Dishong" itself is an old English name.)

Another thing that "factored in" was that, after I'd convinced myself and a few others at the EF that the traditional (dark-complected) "Gloria Calvary" (sic) in Robin Unger's Z-frame and in Don Roberdeau's map must have been self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob, instead, Sandy Larsen and I started wondering where the real Gloria Calvery was in the Z-film, and tentatively concluded that the group of four Southwestern Publishing Company colleagues who claimed in their FBI statements to have watched the motorcade together on Elm Street -- Calvery, Hicks, Reed, and Westbrook -- probably comprised the group of four headscarf-wearing women in Zapruder, and since that seemed to be the case, especially after our spoting in Couch-Darnell a black-blouse and black-headscarf-wearing woman at the TSBD steps about 25 seconds after the final shot, who was in very close proximity to a woman on the steps wearing a white dress and a white headscarf, led me to ... gasp ... speculate that "June" Dishong, who worked at a garment factory a few blocks away and who, according to Westbrook's FBI statement, apparently watched the motorcade with said Southwestern Publishing group, may have decided to "follow suit" and wear her headscarf, too.

Two more things that"factored in":

1) When you look closely at Betzner-3, Willis-5, and Zapruder, there seems to be another, probably much shorter, woman in that headscarf-wearing group, someone who is so short as to be hard to spot in the photos and the film,

... and ...

2) Using hardhat A. J. Millican and blond journalist Mary Woodward in Altgens-6 and in Zapruder as "landmarks," it's easy to see that the far left edge of un-cropped Altgens-6 (where My Dishong is standing after having waved at JFK about three seconds earlier) seems to end right where the line of four headscarf-wearing women I've been talking about, above, begins in Zapruder.


As you can see, there's a terrible, terrible, terrible amount of highly verboten intuiting and speculating (detective-like thinking?) on my part, but IMHO, the woman at the far left of un-cropped Altgens-6 looks to me as though she could be a 53 year-old Hispanic (or half-Hispanic) woman, and she's in exactly the right place to have watched the motorcade with the just "off stage left" four-member Southwest Publishing group that's so easy to see in Zapruder, and she is ... gasp ... wearing a headscarf, just like the other members of that apparently "group cohesiveness"-conscious (or unconscious -- LOL) group.

LOL


Edit: Since Inez Juanita Hart (Dishong) was born in Minnesota about 1909, I'm now starting to think that she might have been Native American in ancestry ...

Edit #2:  Here's a photo I just now found of her and her husband's gravestone in the Oak Grove Memorial Cemetery in Irving, Dallas County, Texas:

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

... which I got "turned onto" by a message on this website:

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login



-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)



« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 08:44:08 AM by Thomas Graves »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 02:15:36 AM »

Online Thomas Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 06:57:20 AM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
For purposes of cross referencing the people in this photo (Altgens-6) with those in the Zapruder film, let it be noted that we can see hard hat-wearing A. J. Millican and some of the people around him in both (e.g., journalist Mary Woodward You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ).

In the Z-film there seems to be a woman in a blue raincoat who is pretty much hidden between Unger's-Roberdau's Maggie Brown (correct) and "Jane Berry" (wrong), which woman's head can also be (barely) seen wearing a light-colored headscarf in Betzner-3 and Willis-5, just like my little ol' "June" Dishong is wearing in full-frame Altgens-6, right there at the beginning of the ("off stage left") Southwestern Publishing Company contingent.



Fwiw, "June" seems to have been Dishong's nickname. Her true full name was Mrs. Inez Juanita Hart Dishong (Dishong's an old English surname), and she was born around 1909 in Minnesota. She was apparently married to Ralph E. Dishong and was living in Irving,Texas, at the time of the assassination.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Edited a bit and bumped.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 07:36:29 AM by Thomas Graves »

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****

  • This Member Has Made
    A Forum Donation!
  • Posts: 5218
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 03:20:56 PM »
Do you have any evidence how tall Dishong actually was?

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 03:20:56 PM »

Online Thomas Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 03:49:42 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Do you have any evidence how tall Dishong actually was?

Iacoletti,

No.

Shall I have here exhumed and measured for you?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)



Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****

  • This Member Has Made
    A Forum Donation!
  • Posts: 5218
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 04:12:21 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Iacoletti,

No.

Shall I have here exhumed and measured for you?

Why bother when you can just determine height based on a Hispanic name?   ::)

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 04:12:21 PM »

Offline Royell Storing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1005
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 04:31:41 PM »


     Among the Many questions surrounding this Altgens Photo is the Gent in the Hat pictured above the woman being discussed. This guy for whatever reason is Not close to facing/looking at the JFK Limo. The man has been alleged to be sitting on top of a short wall, but in order for this to be true he would have to be situated atop the wall as if he were riding a horse. 

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 04:31:41 PM »

Online Thomas Graves

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1326
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 08:51:43 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Why bother when you can just determine height based on a Hispanic name?   ::)

Or possibly American Indian, from New Mexico Minnesota?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)

PS  Now that the "official," really really really "set-in-stone" position of Westbrook has been switched four spaces to the right with her 2017 Sixth Floor Museum interview with Stephen "Smilin' and Noddin'" Fagin, with whom do you believe Dishong is standing (on her left) in Unger's largely xxxxed-up Z-frame?

An unknown Mysto Woman?

Gasp ... Maybe the mastermind of the whole "operation"?
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 08:54:16 PM by Thomas Graves »

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****

  • This Member Has Made
    A Forum Donation!
  • Posts: 5218
Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 08:59:46 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
PS  Now that the "official," really really really "set-in-stone" position of Westbrook has been switched four spaces to the right with her 2017 Sixth Floor Museum interview with Stephen "Smilin' and Noddin'" Fagin, with whom do you believe Dishong is standing (on her left) in Unger's largely xxxxed-up Z-frame?

No clue.

It's not very rational or scientific to make up an answer and then look for evidence that you guessed right.  Try letting the evidence itself determine what your conclusion is.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Was June Dishong "Captured" At The Left Edge Of Full-Frame Altgens-6?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 08:59:46 PM »

 

Mobile View