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Offline Louis Earl

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But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 04:07:56 PM »
But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?

Yes ....Of course all these lawyers were dependent on Hoover's gang as their investigators...   Could there have been any doubt what the conclusion would be?

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 08:26:37 PM »
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The Commission was made up of 14 Assistant Counsel and 12 named staff members plus additional personnel were hired to perform specialized functions, such as for the writing of the report.
The Assistant Counsel;

Francis W. H. Adams, (Satterlee, Warfield, & Stephens private law firm based in NYC and D.C)
Joseph A. Ball, (Ball, Hunt & Hart private law firm based in Long Beach and Santa Ana, CA)
David W. Belin, (Herrick, Langdon, Sandblom & Belin, private law firm based in Des Moines, Iowa)
William T. Coleman, Jr., (Dilworth, Paxon, Kalish, Kohn & Dilks private law firm based in Philadelphia)
Melvin Aron Eisenberg, (Kaye, Scholer, Fierman, Hays & Handler private law firm based in NYC)
Burt W. Griffin, (MacDonald, Hopkins, & Hardy private law firm based in Cleveland, OH)
Leon D. Hubert, Jr., (Hubert, Bladwin & Zibilich private law firm in NO, Louisiana)
Edward Baldwin, Hubert's law partner, was brother of CIA covert agent and Clay Shaw hire, David Baldwin.
Robert Zibilich was a friend of the Baldwins and married their sister....


Obit of Garrison's wife's aunt, who was the mother of David and Edward Baldwin and of Mrs. Robert Zibilich:




Albert E. Jenner, Jr., (Raymond, Meyer, Jenner & Block private law firm based in Chicago)
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https://www.nytimes.com/1986/12/07/magazine/the-ordeal-of-lester-crown.html
THE ORDEAL OF LESTER CROWN
BY BOB TAMARKINDEC. 7, 1986

...The family turned to Albert E. Jenner Jr., a lawyer and longtime friend who is on the board of General Dynamics. ''Whenever the kids got into trouble,'' Jenner says, ''they never bothered the old man. They talked to me, and I got them out of trouble.'' In return for his cooperation with the grand jury, Lester Crown was granted immunity from prosecution...
1946:

1956: Tom Clark appoints the son of Henry Crown.:
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Law Clerks - The Papers of Justice Tom C. Clark - Tarlton Law Library ...
https://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/clark/clerks
Aug 24, 2018 - 1956-57, Harry L. Hobson; John J. Crown, 1966-67, Stuart Philip Ross; Marshall Groce. 1957-58, Robert Gorman; William D. Powell ...
Wesley L. Liebeler, (Carter, Ledyard & Milburn private law firm based in NYC)
Norman Redlich, (Professor of Law, NYU)
W. David Slawson, (Davis, Graham & Stubbs private law firm based in Denver, CO)
Arlen Specter, (assistant Philadelphia district attorney and private law firm of Specter & Katz, Philadelphia, PA)
Samuel A. Stern, (Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering private law firm based in D. C)
Howard P. Willens, (Second Assistant, Criminal Division USDJ) (In 1958, Willens's father, Joseph, put himself and his
wife in harms way by buying and moving into the River Forest. IL residence next door to the residence of Anthony Accardo.

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Terrific post. Short and to the point. Two names jump out at me:
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At least two names jumped out at me, too.....

Earl Warren and his family; moths who danced a bit close to the flame....?

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https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Conrad+Hilton+came+in+with+Virginia+Warren
The silver spade: the Conrad Hilton story‎ - Page xx

by Whitney Bolton - 1954 - 230 pages

"... he attended the opening of the Supreme Court, escorting Virginia Warren, daughter of the Chief Justice Earl Warren. Hilton is an old friend of Warren...."
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=crown+QUITE+INEXPLICABLY+Virginia+Warren
The Empire State Building: The Making of a Landmark‎ - Page 347
by John Tauranac - Travel - 1995 - 384 pages

Escorted by Colonel Crown and his wife, the couple was introduced to the Empire

... and, quite inexplicably, to Miss Virginia Warren, daughter of Chief ...

"...The building got it's money's worth in free publicity. The

queen said the view was "the most beautiful thing" she had ever

seen. She and Prince Philip were then guests at a reception in

the executive lounge. Escorted by Colonel (Henry) Crown and

his wife, the couple was introduced to the Empire State Building

directors and their wives, and QUITE INEXPLICABLY, to MISS VIRGINIA WARREN,

daughter of Chief Justice Earl Warren..."
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https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Conrad+Hilton+came+in+with+Virginia+Warren

Saturday Review‎

by Bernard Augustine De Voto - American literature - 1958

Page 34

Conrad Hilton came in with Virginia Warren, daughter of the Chief Justice of the

United States, on his arm. And later, limbo dancers from Trinidad showed ...

Pleasure Island: Tourism and Temptation in Cuba‎ - Page 191

by Rosalie Schwartz - History - 1997 - 247 pages

Conrad Hilton brought his own bodyguard, as did Virginia Warren, daughter of the

US chief justice. A trio of uniformed guards accompanied the Hollywood ..

Garrison is named in his wife's father's obit, as is Mrs. Harry Raworth, mother of Liz Garrison first cousins, David and Edward Baldwin
and Elizabeth Baldwin Zibilich.:

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 09:06:22 PM »
But weren't all these lawyers dependent on the FBI as their investigators?

For the most part, yes. After all it is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They also relied on the Secret Service, Dept. of the Treasury, State Dept., C.I.A, Army and Navy Intelligence, other federal agencies and experts in various fields not associated with federal agencies, Dallas Police, Mexican Federal Police and Customs and Immigration, witness testimony, and their own acquired expertise in the area assigned to each associate counsel to arrive at a conclusion that was supported by a more independent investigation by the HSCA, with the exception of the soon discredited fourth gunman in the Grassy Knoll that missed.

Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2019, 09:09:12 PM »
Yes ....Of course all these lawyers were dependent on Hoover's gang as their investigators...   Could there have been any doubt what the conclusion would be?

??.Considering that the preponderance of the evidence supported the WC conclusions.

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2019, 09:16:13 PM »
To Tom Scully...how much of a role did Leon D. Hubert play in the investigation. Once you acknowledge that the answer is minimal at best perhaps this 10th degree of separation guilt by association nonsense can be toned down a bit.....perhaps  ::)

Offline Tom Scully

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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2019, 09:41:23 PM »
To Tom Scully...how much of a role did Leon D. Hubert play in the investigation. Once you acknowledge that the answer is minimal at best perhaps this 10th degree of separation guilt by association nonsense can be toned down a bit.....perhaps  ::)

Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed up Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you...
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Murray Chotiner, Nixon Mentor, Dies - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/1974/01/31/archives/murray-chotiner-nixon-mentor-dies-campaign-aide-since-46-and.html
Jan 31, 1974 - Chotiner, Murray M. ... man, associated primarily with Earl Warren, later Governor of California and afterward Chief Justice of the United States.

My point is plain....you cannot, based on the verifiable evidence and the conflicts of interests of the WC appointees,
make the conclusions you present. That is my primary conclusion about the case, because I am committed to avoid
cherry picking the evidence, because I am not qualified to weigh the contradictions. You seem to think you are qualified,
but I present in a manner indicating I might be better informed than you are.

You seem more certain the WC essentially "got it right" than WC Asst Counsel Albert Jenner.....

BTW, was not mobbed up Albert Jenner assigned (by Howard Willens) to investigate whether Oswald was associated with
organized crime or other conspirators?
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..His chapter of the report was called: "Oswald's Background History, Acquaintances and Motives."..
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=albert+jenner+conspiracy&sa=N&tbs=nws:1,ar:1#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1964%2Ccd_max%3A1966%2Cbks%3A1&q=coincidences+made+it+seem+most+likely+that+the+assassination+of&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=albert+jenner+conspiracy&gs_rfai=&psj=1&fp=80f78c692ae3c498
Federal bar news: Volume 13

Federal Bar Association - 1966 -

In his address, Mr. Jenner stated that a series of extraordinary coincidences made it seem most likely that the assassination of President Kennedy was the work of one man ? Lee Harvey Oswald. "After months of intensive research, the reading of some 40000 pages of material assembled by units of the federal government, and the questioning of scores of persons, including Oswald's wife, we came to the conclusion that there was no conspiracy, either domestic or foreign," Jenner said...

Oscar, Mr. Trump has certainly made it aquaint notion, but in 1964, avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety was an
expectation of the American public, especially after the DPD had failed to keep the accused assassin alive, in their own HQ....
Did not Accardo and succeed Ricca and Joseph Willens succeed Varelli as next door neighbor of the reigning River Forest, IL,
capo di tutti cappi?

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Encyclopedia of World Crime
...Varelli, identified in 1963 by the Senate rackets committee as a member of 'the inner Mafia circle on the west side, is closely associated with the gang of loan sharks and gam- headed by Fiore [Fifi] Buccieri.
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/376219098/
March 12, 1966
Chicago Tribune from Chicago, Illinois ? pg 2    5 Indicted Linked with Three Top Hoods
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Detectives offer as evidence of Varelli's stature in the mob the fact that he is a next door neighbor of Paul [The Waiter] Ricca, elder statesman of the Chicago Mafia.

Varelli was placed on proba- tion for two years in 1943 on a burglary charge.......

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http://mobstersinthenews.blogspot.com/2014/09/mob-linked-river-forest-home-up-for-sale.html
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As the story goes, Willens was friends with Accardo, who rose in the ranks of the Chicago Outfit and greatly expanded the gang?s reach from a period the late 1940s until his death in 1992.
?The horseshoe-shaped table in the windowless basement of 935 Franklin,? a sales packet for the house says, ?is where Tony Accardo and his men held their meetings.?
Willens, who passed away in 1984, was never formally linked to his neighbor?s criminal operations; any evidence to the contrary, said Pedersen, ?is neighborhood hearsay? and the stuff of conspiracy theory websites.
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https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62237&relPageId=187&search=willens_and%20accardo
FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 25, pg 187
Found in: FBI Warren Commission Liaison File (62-109090)
being associated with the President's Commission. HOWARD P. WILLENS, Assistant to Rankin Willens was investigated by the Bureau in 1955 for the position of
derogatory information was developed concerning -his. father, Joseph Robert Willens. The father's name appeared on the mailing list of the Chicago Council of
deter- mined that the senior Mr. Willens was a next-door neighbor of Tony Accardo, prominent Chicago hoodlum. Mr. Willens was interviewed by the Bureau in

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10111&relPageId=126&search=willens_and%20accardo
2. ADMIN FOLDER-W8: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, LEE HARVEY OSWALD VOLUME X, pg 126
Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders
information identifiable with these individuals. HOWARD P. WILLENS, Assistant to Rankin Willens was investigated by the Bureau in 1955 for the position of
derogatory information was developed concerning his father, Joseph Robert Willens. The father's name appeared on the mailing list of the Chicago Council of
deter- mined that the senior Mr. Willens was a next-door neighbor of Tony Accardo, prominent Chicago hoodlum. Mr. Willens was interviewed by the Bureau in
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Re: WC general counsel and assistant counsel
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 09:51:23 PM »
Oscar, how much of a role did mobbed Earl Warren or Asst Counsel Albert Jenner play?
Your opinions fly in the face of the facts I share with you...

Tom, Earl Warren was in public life for decades before he was drafted by LBJ kicking and screaming. A man like that had to have made hundreds of aquaintances over the years.

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Syndicated columnist Drew Pearson and Earl Warren vacationed together. I do not comprehend what that indicates, but it is a fact.

That's about the most honest appraisal of all the stuff you've posted that I have seen.
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